Severe power loss with extended highway riding

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Masospaghetti, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. Hey all, bike is a 1984 Kawasaki KZ700, with 9600 miles. Bike runs well
    most of the time, including a fairly hard ride up a mountain.

    However, after about 10 miles of high-speed interstate riding above
    probably 60 mph, the bike just loses its gusto and has trouble keeping
    up with traffic. I think I heard some knocking when trying to
    accelerate. Pulling off the highway and letting the bike sit for a
    moment allows it to regain its strength. It almost feels like one
    cylinder stops firing, and its true that the rightmost exhaust pipe is a
    lot cooler than the the other three. The plug was not fouled, though.

    I was guessing either fuel starvation or overheating although I really
    don't have a good idea. I suspect the bike runs slightly lean because it
    has trouble starting on really cold mornings. Any ideas? The bike has
    never had valve clearance checked (which I am going to do this week).
    Oh, and the fuel petcock is new, and the strainer was clear.

    On another note, what would cause my rear brake pedal to not return
    after being pressed? the brake works, but the pedal is difficult to
    press and it sticks down.
     
    Masospaghetti, Apr 3, 2006
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  2. The valve clearances could use a check, though are unlikely to be the
    problem. Could be a duff coil. They're well known for giving up the
    ghost on these bikes, when they get old.
    That'll be the brake pedal pivot where it goes through the footrest
    plate or similar.

    Remove pedal assembly, clean up, grease, and re-assemble, I had to do
    this regularly on my old air-cooled Kawasaki 750.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 3, 2006
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  3. Masospaghetti

    fweddybear Guest

    As for the loss of power problem, check the wire going from the coil to
    that particular cylinder. I know on my old honda 750, I had a similar
    problem where all but one of the pipes would get hot and it turned out to be
    the wire needing to be reseated at the coil.

    Good Luck,

    Fwed
     
    fweddybear, Apr 3, 2006
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  4. Thanks for the reply.

    If the coil wasn't firing that cylinder, why would it only be after high
    speed riding? would the plug be fouled?
     
    Masospaghetti, Apr 3, 2006
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    fweddybear Guest

    Well, if the plug were fouled, you would have problems from the get
    go.....maybe the vibration given off at the high speed is enough for the
    wire to misfire. On my bike, one coil fires cylinder 1 and 4, and another
    coil fires 2 and 3. I am not sure if this is the same set up you have on
    your bike. I found that at first exhaust pipes 1 and 4 were just getting
    hot, so I knew it was something electrical. turned out I reseated both
    wires for cylinders 2 and 3 and now the bike starts up right away and runs
    like a champ (with the execption of a slight studder artound 5000 rpm. I am
    thinking of increasing the main jets (4) from a 105 to a 107.5. Hopefully
    that should take care of things, as its running a little lean and I already
    have the screws turned out 2 1/2 or so turns.
    In any event, check the plug wires.. .make sure they are properly
    seated... or swap one with another one to see if the problem follows... if
    it does, then you know for sure its in the wiring... if you have the same
    problem, then like the older gentleman said, its probably a coil.

    Fwed
     
    fweddybear, Apr 3, 2006
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    MadDogR75 Guest

    While it might well be an ignition problem as others suggest,
    first check out your carbs, fuel lines, & filters.
    I had a similar problem once, marginal fuel flow, OK at low speeds
    but passing from high cruise, or sustained high speed caused a drop
    in float bowl levels with attendant knocking & loss of power.
    I'd roll on, she'd respond and then just wimp out.
    A brief stop would let the levels recover and the engine came back
    for a while, similar to your description.
    My problem turned out to be fuel lines damaged internally - looked
    OK outside but cracked inside.
    Look for dirty filters or clogged/kinked lines or dirty float valves.
    ( Dirt can be hard to spot on a wet screen and lines can be damaged
    internally.)

    As to the brake problem, look for a weak return spring or
    binding in the pedal mechanism.

    Best of luck,
    MadDog
    R75/5 Forever!
     
    MadDogR75, Apr 4, 2006
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    Larry Jaques Guest

    I repaired a Husky weedeater by replacing a plugged fuel cap. It would
    run just fine, even at high speeds, but only for about 5 minutes, less
    if the tank was almost full. As I removed the filler cap once, I heard
    a sucking sound and realized that the brand new unit was bad.
     
    Larry Jaques, Apr 4, 2006
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  8. I took a small engine shop class when I was a high school freshman. That
    year I entered an Industiral Arts competition at a nearby university. One
    of the competitions was to repair a booby trapped small engine well
    enough to get it to run for 10 minutes. My instructor had prepared us for
    most of the faults we would encounter, including a plugged fuel cap. It
    was the only time I have ever seen that problem but it's still one of the
    things I check when diagnosing a fuel starvation problem!
     
    Michael R. Kesti, Apr 4, 2006
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  9. You ought to try opening the gas cap slightly. Could be lots of
    other stuff, but occasionally a tank may not vent welll and form
    a vacuum which can interfere with fuel flow. Not sure why one
    carb would be more starved than the others unless it was at
    the tail end of the fuel plumbing. You could also check the
    plug for a healthy spark.
    You might want to start by lubing the pedal pivot and if it's
    a mechanical linkage, checking the springs. Is there
    any component fouling another ? Anything bent ? Is it
    assembled correctly ?
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 4, 2006
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  10. I will try that, thanks for the suggestion!
     
    Masospaghetti, Apr 7, 2006
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  11. will do. Thanks so much for your help.
     
    Masospaghetti, Apr 7, 2006
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  12. Masospaghetti

    fweddybear Guest

    Let us know how you make out with this.... if you find the problem goes
    to the cylinder you change your wires with, then you have a wire problem...
    if not, then it could be coil. Another thing that dawned on me is it could
    be the main jet in the carb for that cylinder. Main jets will kick in
    around 4500 rpms or so and if that one is clogged, it may not be getting
    fuel to the cylinder.... you can also switch main jets to see if the problem
    follows, although i would suspect electrical first....

    Fwed
     
    fweddybear, Apr 8, 2006
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