Sete and Kawasaki

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by robotiser, Nov 8, 2006.

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    robotiser Guest

    No comments on Sete Gibernau quitting MotoGP rather than taking a ride
    with Kawasaki?
     
    robotiser, Nov 8, 2006
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    robotiser Guest

    How would you compare Kawasaki in 2006 to Yamaha in 2003?
     
    robotiser, Nov 8, 2006
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    Mark N Guest

    Yamaha superior, definitely. If you look at Nakano, this year he ended
    up 14th in points, finished in the top five only once, the 2nd at
    Assen, and a typical better result was 7th-8th. In '03 on a Yamaha he
    was pretty similar, 10th in points, a couple top fives, 7th-8th a lot.
    But that year he wasn't the focus of the factory the way that he was
    this year at Kawi, he was #2 behind Barros at Tech 3, and it was his
    first year racing a four-stroke. By the end of '02 Biaggi had gotten
    pretty competitive on the M1, but the big Yamaha problem in '03 was
    that they didn't have a rider of truly top caliber, and they were also
    down some on power compared to the Hondas and Ducatis. I think a top
    guy could have been on the box with some regularity on that bike, which
    I don't think was a possibility with the Kawi on Bridgestones this
    year.

    The question for Sete was the '07 Kawi, though, and I expect that they
    will lose some ground in the transition to 800cc. I also suspect
    they'll end up on Michelins, and it's hard to say how that will impact
    them. It should be an advantage if you look at this year overall and
    the addition of the Honda teams to the Bridgestone camp, but I really
    doubt that Jacque or even Sete would get the same treatment as Rossi,
    Hayden and Pedrosa, at best probably about what Checa and Roberts and
    maybe Edwards (in the races, anyway) will get. If they stay at
    Bridgestone, then they have to get in line with Capirossi, Stoner,
    Melandri, Nakano, Hopkins, Vermeulen, Barros, Elias... That's a long
    line.

    Anyway, my comment about Checa was connected to the way he was saying
    the Tech 3 ride on Dunlops wasn't good enough for him to consider a
    year ago, but he eventually backed down and took it when there wasn't
    anything else.
     
    Mark N, Nov 8, 2006
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    robotiser Guest

    Thanks muchly. That answer helps me understand recent and current
    MotoGP much better.
     
    robotiser, Nov 9, 2006
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    Jake Guest

    I don't think it's that disingenuous.

    I'm sure he wanted a lot of money and a good bike at first. He might
    have thought that he'd end up having to choose between a good bike and
    no money or a hopeless bike and some money, and he'd go with the good
    bike. But when it ended up that his only options were getting paid to
    ride the Kawasaki or the Ilmor, well... wrestling a piece of shit
    around the track in a battle for 15th place and hoping to avoid getting
    lapped by Rossi sounds a lot like "just riding for money" to me.

    Others might do that to stay in the game in hopes that a better ride
    would come along, but when you're already 34, the odds of that
    happening are kind of slim.

    Now that he's retired, I have to say I think I'm kind of going to miss
    the guy.

    -jake
     
    Jake, Nov 9, 2006
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    pablo Guest

    sete announced his retirement today. supermodel so and parents in tow, in an
    emotional news conference.

    of course, it's from motogp.com, an untrustworthy news source according to a
    few paranoid users in here...
     
    pablo, Nov 9, 2006
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    pablo Guest

    gibernau had offers on the table, among them one to continue with ducati,
    which he decided against. the money means nothing to gibernau, he said it in
    his retirement speech, and he was born into spanish industrial aristocracy -
    he's always been extremely rich without having to ever had to work for it.
    he didn't go for kaw or ilmor because he knew he could not win on them, and
    perhaps realized he would not win again on any other bike anyhow. time to
    hang em up.

    so gibernau did not end up without a seat - he declined them in later stages
    of the season as the cards were being remixed.

    i for one believe what he said - he discovered racing wasn't as much of a
    passion for him going forward, and he can afford to turn a page in his life
    without thinking about it for a second. criville -who is notoriusly
    publicity shy- made a very rare appearance to simply state gibernau is a
    class act, and told one story about the katoh aftermath in the gresini team
    i didn't know, and which reflects quite favorably on gibernau's principles
    and unwillingness to go by the book.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Nov 10, 2006
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