Sepang test musings.

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Chris Paine, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    Yes I know it's only early days[1], but it's interesting to see De
    Puniet doing well in the Sepang test. Maybe Jerry Burgess was right
    when he tipped him as a potential top MotoGP rider a couple of years
    ago (maybe Burgess's endorsement was why De Puniet got hired, I was
    certainly skeptical at the time, although he did seem to do a
    reasonably solid job last season).

    Nice to see Hopkins posting some good times as well - I was wondering
    if moving to Kawasaki was a good move for him, as I felt the Suzuki's
    probably had the edge on the Kawasaki. I suppose comparing Vermulen
    and Hopkins this season will give some sort of guage on the relative
    merits of the bikes.

    Has Rossi been over hasty in ditching Michelin ? Perhaps he'll end up
    forever chasing the best tyres, and always be one season behind :)

    Melandri is only ahead of Guintoli and test riders - that can't be
    good for him.

    Edwards 2nd fastest - perhaps there's life in the old dog yet.

    [1] Anybody care to to a statistical correlation between Sepang test
    times and the subsequent season standings :)

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, Jan 23, 2008
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    Paul B Guest

    It really is too early to be drawing any conclusions. We don't know
    what tyres are been used or what parameters each team is focusing on.
    Same with Stones vs Lins, this is only one track and even if the Lins
    come out on top it may well be a different story next venue.
    Edwards often practiced and qualified well last season then they gave
    him 5 forward and one reverse gear for the race, thats how it seemed
    so I'm not geting too excited with him being fast.
    Lorenzo seems to be adapting well, whether that will turn into race
    pace remains to be seen.

    Still it's great t have the season upon us again and give us all
    something to speculate over.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Jan 23, 2008
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  3. Chris Paine

    Julian Bond Guest

    While Toseland seems to be just quietly getting on with it.
     
    Julian Bond, Jan 23, 2008
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  4. Chris Paine

    Paul B Guest

    Heh Heh, I'm a Kiwi living in Scotland and call them Stone's and Lin's
    with toungue in cheek. There was a thread last year and someone
    commented on on the Bridgestones been called "Stones" saying next
    thing Michelins will be called "Lin's" so I decided to try it for a
    laugh, it is naff though I admit.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Jan 24, 2008
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  5. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    I agree entirely. About the only definite thing I would say is that
    Melandri is struggling (relative to what might be expected of him).
    Indeed. And on the final day Hayden took the top spot (on qualifiers).

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, Jan 24, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Toseland said he'd get into the 2m1s on the last day and he did.

    It's not just Melandri struggling. So are Elias and Guintoli. Guintoli
    must be gutted to be 18 on 2min 3.628s when Jorge is up the other end in
    3rd with 2m0.766s
     
    Julian Bond, Jan 24, 2008
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  7. Chris Paine

    Chris Paine Guest

    Yes, but they're in the D'Antin team, and you'd have to put Elias and
    Guintoli behind Melandri in terms of rider talent. Is D'Antin running
    2008 Ducatis, or are they using last years bikes ?
    Is there some friction between Guintoli and Lorenzo then ?

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, Jan 24, 2008
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    T3 Guest

    Lin's Lop's Li's and 'Stones, I occasionally hear that at tracks, but
    it's mostly just shop talk...
     
    T3, Jan 24, 2008
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  9. Chris Paine

    Julian Bond Guest

    There was talk about how now D'Antin had Alice sponsorship, they'd be
    closer to the factory. But as usual it seems that all the satellite
    teams are step behind the factory teams.
    Only that he left Yamaha to join Ducati. And the 2nd string Yamahas with
    Michelins seem to be doing rather better than OK. See above, the
    Edwards-Toseland (and perhaps Lorenzo) Yamahas seem to be much closer to
    Rossi's than say De Puniet's Honda to Hayden's.
     
    Julian Bond, Jan 24, 2008
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    Mark N Guest

    What I found interesting was that Hayden didn't start using the pneumy
    motors until the afternoon of the 2nd day, and then talked of power
    deficit and older springy motors that don't seem to match well with
    the new chassis. Today it was back to the old motor again in the
    afternoon. That suggests Julian was right, Honda is behind on their
    factory team motor development and may not be ready with it by the
    start of the year, and certainly will still be trying to squeeze out
    more power at that point, if not all year long as in '07.

    The other thing is that it seems like Michelin is showing promise, and
    at a track that should favor Bridgestone (although Pedrosa had a good
    race there last year). But if correct, Stoner doing a 2:00.9 on race
    tires is very quick, a second faster than pole last year. Seems like
    most of the faster guys did mid-01s on race tires.
    On qualifiers...
    What those three have in common, other than being on Ducatis and being
    250-bred, is that they're new on the bikes. Given the peculiarities of
    that machine, I think it's too early to judge much. But if neither
    they or Ducati can make the changes necessary, it could be a very long
    year. Well, for Melandri anyway, I really don't think anyone is
    expecting great things from D'Antin, are they?
     
    Mark N, Jan 24, 2008
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    sturd.virtec Guest

    Chris Paine asks:
    I predict that is so. Betting against Michelin in MotoGP over
    the long term is a bad bet. I bet.

    http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/mgp/sepang-january-test/joliet/t98.htm
    Exhausts in the back! Or maybe a closed system.....

    http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/mgp/sepang-january-test/joliet/t5e.htm
    Does a pneumo motor really need to be that tall? Seems like a
    packaging
    problem for a two wheeler.

    He'll start going backwards when the lights go out.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd.virtec, Jan 29, 2008
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  12. Chris Paine

    Julian Bond Guest

    Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:12:06
    They've already started chucking toys around as the engineers from one
    team keep sneaking into the other garage.
    Hard to see but there are plates over the exhaust ports during the
    build.
    Those photos on SuperBikeWorld are pure tech pr0n.
     
    Julian Bond, Jan 29, 2008
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  13. Chris Paine

    sturd.virtec Guest

    Julian Bond gets a woody:
    You think there's a plate there hiding the exhaust ports? I can see
    where the top of the cylinder is, next piece I'd expect is bottom of
    the head. Either it or the next piece, with that tube on it, has to
    have the exhausts if they are on this side. Is the tube sealing them
    off? Maybe it's used for something as it's got a cap of some sort on
    rider left. I think it's a cooling connection though, similar to the
    one
    at the bottom on rider left.

    Pervert.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd.virtec, Jan 30, 2008
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  14. Chris Paine

    sturd.virtec Guest

    Howard Kveck points out:
    I think you're right but... If you look at the other view,
    taken from rider right, there's a wire that goes to maybe
    a temp sensor? covered in blue. It is bolted really close
    to what should be a manifold bolt.

    Mighty tight in there.


    Regards
    Mike S.
     
    sturd.virtec, Jan 30, 2008
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  15. Chris Paine

    Julian Bond Guest

    I think all the V-4s are now using screamer engines. They all have 4-2
    exhausts with equal length headers before the junction which suggests a
    360 deg crank. Now Kawasaki is testing a screamer engine leaving Yamaha
    as the only one on a big bang.
     
    Julian Bond, Jan 31, 2008
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