Self Representation in a Crown Court

Does anyone have any experience, or pointers where to find any useful
info on the above.

I have JFG'd for it, but drawn a blank.

TIA, "your learned colleague".

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Not recomended unless you have a very good knowledge of the law ,

You could ask on any of the uk based legal usenet gruops

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"A man who chooses to represent himself has a fool for a lawyer
and a bigger fool for a client." I wonder where that originated.

 

From a lawyer, upset that he wasn't getting paid.

 

Steve Robinson coughed up:

Hmm, my knowledge of the law to date is solely limited to remaining on
the right side of it.

Yeah right, I'm sure that MI5 nutter will have some helpful insights.



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Eiron coughed up:

It's probably very accurate too. I won't be representing myself
though, I'll be representing another party.

Which makes your statement all the more accurate.

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try the moderated gruop ,

What you been nicked for

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Steve Robinson coughed up:

It's not me (fortunately).
The person I am representing is prosecuting another party.

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Depends on the consequences of failure. Is it an offence for which a
custodial sentence is possible on conviction? Now probably most cases
before the Crown Court do, but they also deal with appeals from the
Magistrates for offences which do not - would I be guessing correctly
that this is your scenario?

I nearly got to give evidence in CC (for the prosecution) on such an
appeal case once but the stupid twat didn't turn up to fight his own
appeal. His brief claimed he had gone to the wrong court - twice. In the
end our brief asked the beak to throw it out to save more costly court
time and release us officers back to our normal duties.

If you do, start preparing your 'performance'. Court is a theatre.
Whether it should be or not is an interesting debate, but a top notch
Barrister in full flight is a pleasure to watch. In my later
Magistrates' Court appearances (as a witness) I had to use reading
glasses to read the 'bundle' properly. Couldn't help staring over the
top of my Foster Grants at the other side before giving a withering
answer to there question.

Couldn't find anything of help from a quick Google even here:

http://www.cjsonline.gov.uk/defendant/your_case

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In what sense is this self representation?
ITYM amateur or incompetent representation.

 

Eiron coughed up:

You are probably accurate on both counts.
Unfortunately there is no other option available.

Oh, and FOYRNB

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Pete Fisher coughed up:

I don't think that a custodial sentence is likely to result from this
one, although it would be satisfying if that was how it concluded.
This hopefully will be the end of several years of misery for my
"clients". Unfortunately their circumstances are such that
professional representation is no longer an option, so my role has been
changed from witness to representative.

I am daunted by this task, but as there is no option I will simply have
to give it my best shot.

Thanks anyway



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Dan L () gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

I think you might want to investigate the concept of a "Mackenzie friend".
I'm far from an expert, but I *think* that's what you fall into, since you
aren't a lawyer and you aren't representing yourself.

 

Actually, it was said about a lawyer who chose to represent himself - on the
basis that he lacked the necessary objectivity to go a proper job.

 

Dan L says...

"Don't break the law"

 

Good advice in some circumstances but not a lot of help in this scenario
though where 'advocacy' is required:

"Lastly, if you are not represented, you are still entitled to have a
friend or adviser to sit with you in court to give you advice and help
take notes. This person is referred to as a Mackenzie friend, and cannot
speak for you in court."

From:http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-rights/chapters/the-rights-of-defe
ndants/representation-and-legal-aid/advice.shtml

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Dan it might help if you explain what the court case is about

 

He knew how much lawyers cost.

 

Pete Fisher () gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Umm, quite. ITYF that was my point...

"If you are not represented..." (by a real-live-with-bits-of-paper-to-
prove-it lawyer)

AIUI, the only way in which a non-lawyer *can* "represent" somebody is as a
Mackenzie friend to somebody who self-represents. Otherwise, they need to
be a lawyer acting as a lawyer.

 

It might help if you learned to fucking snip posts.