I was always under the impression that having more/better security reduced your premium since it also reduces the risk of theft - and premiums are ultimately (or supposedly) a measure of the relative risk involved in providing insurance in the first place. But now I stand corrected, it would seem. At the time of getting a quote (which I later accepted) I was unaware that my new ride was additionally 'protected' via a keyed immobiliser system as well as data-dots. When I passed this info on to my insurer, they happily informed me that my premium was unchanged. So from an insurance perspective, why should the manufacturer bother going to the expense and effort of installing additional security measures? The insurer clearly sees no difference whatsoever in having or not having it, and it would certainly make the bike cheaper in its absence (even if not by all that much). I'll just finish this off by pointing out that I'm well aware of the obvious points that certain idiots may raise in the mistaken belief that I'd overlooked them. The point of this query is strictly from the perspective of the level to which premiums are related to risk, and the oddness of a situation in which it is clearly possible to reduce risk whilst still paying the same premium either way. In the end I don't really care, as the premium is still 0 less than the next best offer. It just struck me as a bit odd, that's all. :-)