Scooter Soldering Kit Battery

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:56:56 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"

|>>         Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
|>> use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
|>
|>You sure don't know what you are talking about that's for damn sure.
|>But hey do it the hard way, if that's what you want. I mean what would
|>I know, just because I've done if for a long damn time.

What CRACK?????...no shit heh!

 

|>
|>
|>>> Try it sometime with a healthy, brand new battery.
|>>>
|>> Well, if one had just introduced water and then acid, or the mix that
|>> comes with a MF, to a brand-new battery, I doubt if one would immediately
|>> test for sulphation.
|>
|>Sigh! ..........leaving nothing to the imagination..........
|>I intended "healthy" to mean fully charged, so...........
|>
|>If one connects a charger to a fully charged brand new (or otherwise in good
|>working condition) "conventional" lead acid battery for a few minutes (or
|>you leave it connected until it becomes fully charged), a no-load voltmeter
|>reading WILL be slightly above 12.6V for a while and that is perfectly
|>normal and does NOT indicate sulphation. Clear ??
|>

Right.....Sulphation in a "conventional" lead acid battery is a
limiter to the battery topping and CCA charge...

I doubt if a bad 12v 10ah will get to the required 15volts in a
constant volt charger, it will got to 13.5 and just get too hot and start
loosing water in the vrla.

An AGM MF will react a bit different, BUT even a good AGM/Hybrid
can't take anymore than 20 discharge/deep cycles till it gets real crappy,
which is why you have to top off charge these to 15 constant volts once a
month, or better yet a continual Vario voltage (current) Charger like the
Ctek/Optima if you have a place to plug it in.

The old GS/Yuasa "wet" SLA can take a lot more discharges than an
AGM, unless you have a REAL NEW "CONCORDE" AGM, and probably paid some
($600 cdn civy) for a 12v 10ah "military aircraft" type battery.

 

agreed and acid flux is the WORST thing to use on electrical
applications.

 

The confusion is entirely understandable as many pencil blowtorches come
with a soldering attachment and some butane soldering irons come with a
blowtorch fitting.

The soldering iron kits usually cost more than pencil blowtorches so I'd
hope they work better than the soldering attachment that came with the
pencil blowtorch I have.

 

I can only offer one data point. I bought an Archer branded butane
soldering iron 20 years ago from Radio Shack. It still works fine, yes
you pay attention to where the exhaust is pointed...but like soldering
it is just a matter of paying attention to what is going on. <shrug> I
dunno, people have told me they don't work well but I just keep using
it and turning out decent work for what I do.

I am certain there are better ones available now.

 

Okay, I just go by what I was taught by a radio station engineer in
the 70's. He'd been doing it since the late 50's.

 

Remind me *never* to even consider having you make any electrical
repairs for me.

For chrissakes, everyone *knows* not to use acid-core solder for wiring
connections. The fact that we're even talking about it here is totally
ridiculous.

But don't take my word for it:
http://www.scienceprog.com/reliable-soldering-with-fluxes

They say "You should never use acid fluxes in electronic device
soldering and repair, as it will cause corrosion and even can
short-circuit device where gaps between tracks are small."

Sheesh.


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"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

 

I never said acid - that's you jumping to conclusions and getting it wrong.

 

You said, and I quote:

That stuff is acid flux. Wrong flux for wiring.


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because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

 

Actually I doubt the plumbers flux I use is acid.

UK building regulations are also affected by the dreaded RoHS so things like
corrosive fluxes aren't allowed any more. It was some years ago that
building suppliers stopped stocking Fry Fluxite (zinc chloride) I still find
uses for this flux in certain jobs and finally found a power tool supplier
that could order it..

 

So you actually don't know what is or isn't in it. (I don't either.)
Might be worthwhile rooting around to try to find its contents (either
online, in a MSDS or from a supplier). My guess is that it is, in fact,
an acid flux.

I think you misunderstand RoHS and other regs; they don't seek to ban
anything corrosive, just regulate substances that are hazardous. I
seriously doubt that acid fluxes have been banned outright, or that they
ever will.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

 

Capillary action will pull acid up the insulation when heated and down the
road the joint will fail.

46 years of soldering and still learning new "Tricks".

 

What ever, I was just trying help. But hey, do what you want...it
ain't my wiring. I either clean it and solder or crimp.

 

Nothing to see here folks, just a *stupid* thread that's gone on so
long it's attracted bottom feeders like Keith.

Move along, move along.

 

Hmm, this coming from a liar, psychopath and all around idiot? High
compliments indeed. Tell me oh font of arcane knowledge how could a
reject, racist, liar, idot, pursuer of under age mexicans and all
around lonely, unemployed loser with no family possibly know anything
about what I do or do not do? Hmm...then again you are an internet
stalker who mines other peoples info. Much as you've attempted to do
to me and use like the sick bastard you are.

Funny thing Krusty...it doesn't scare me. Nothing you could do scares
me. Lie all you want...nobody believes you. You to can be found just
like everyone else.

For that matter you've contributed NOTHING to this thread...as usual
for a loser of your high caliber.

 

Nothing to see here folks. Just some typical sea gull crap.

Move along, move along.

 

Ah...still scared of me I see. Trying to push everyone away...too late
the world left you behind goober. Now take your inbred white trash act
somewhere else like antarctica.

 

Next time you two clowns have a thought, just let it go, m'kay?

 

Next time you two clowns have a thought, just let it go, m'kay?

PHucker is a well known troll who bullshits in groups on topics he knows
absolutely nothing about - he's already been laughed out of all the
sci.electronics groups for spouting BS to guys who design chips and
aerospace gear - his "home haunt" is alt.binaries.chatter .

 

He and Krusty are well suited as a team, then.