sat am ride ends in deer ding, no coffee or pastry

How much time you had to react?
Could/did you jump out of the seat to avoid direct impact with that?

Friend of mine crashed into fire truck (which blown the stop sign)
without helmet. He is a pro athlete and was able to curl, relax and
hide his head between arms. He was acting upon the upcoming crash
however all was an instinct/learned sport behavior, not thinking. He had
just broken arm while the bike was totaled.

A.

 

I thought my original post made it clear,
I had ZERO time between when the deer leapt into my path and the moment
of impact.
I would've said "Oh Shit"
But only got to "_ and bang.

Let's put it this way:
I have owned over 50 motorcycles since 1967, and have logged a millon or
so miles of actual asstime on these things, and in all that time I have
had only One Impact collision, ever (this one). There have been three
other get offs one of them was totally my fault, a lack of humility and
common sense lead to that crash. ( a slide), another involved being
clotheslined off a bike by a fallen cable tv line, the last at Sears
Point in turn two, which was in a competetive situation.All together
that isn't too bad for a non professional rider.
Since this is the first time I have ever had any injury of any type due
to riding, I would say in all modesty that first, I'm a competent rider,
second, I am lucky enough to have never been hit by some idiot in a car.
Trust me on this particular issue, I know that no one could've avoided
being hit by this deer, and secondly, once the impact has taken place,
there is no telling what the **** will happen next.
As for tumbling and ju jitsu -ing to mitigate crash injuries, I say, buy
a cheap ass bike, find a place where you can be 100% SURPRISED, and
wait for the impact to occur. Then post your findings.
We are all anxious to hear your report.
By the way, wear good protective gear before you do it.
JS

 

I had to miss that.

[...]

I did not mean to be rude. Just speculating if there is a time to jump
out. I read about other accidents (on Polish AMS-like usenet group)
where actually jumping out/up helped a lot. I own 1 bike since 2006 and
I have put into the seat only about 8K miles. This is a natural
curiosity of a beginner how such things happen and hopefully I will
never get into the routine.

Regards, A.

 

sorry...but that was weak....

 

I cannot recall ever having less than zero time to react in some way.
This was like...
ride , ride, ride , fur.bam.fly.crash, groan, complete cycle of
emergency services.
JS

 

Like so many of our policies, our health care views are
self-deceptive. In a civilized country people don't bleed to death on
the ER steps. Other developed countries all see access to a certain
level of health care as a 'right'. We think so too, but we won't
admit it even to ourselves. To even suggest such a thing is
'socialist'. It's Communistic! It's even worse--it's -LIBERAL-!
OMIGOD!

Think of all the costs in this country that we would refuse to pay if
presented a bill, so we pay them as hidden costs. Just for example,
how much does it add to the cost of a gallon of gas to have a war in
the Gulf every ten years?

Not to mention profits! We already have a public insurance system in
the US, Medicare. People grumble about it but they're glad to have
it. It works pretty well with a small portion of the overhead of
commercial insurance companies. If we just expanded it to include
everyone in the US, we would immediately save tens of billions of
dollars a year. In fact the only reason we have Medicare is that the
insurance companies realized they couldn't make any money insuring old
people so they fobbed them off on the public.

A friend of ours needed an emergency appendectomy. This is a woman
who babysits and cleans houses for a living. I don't think she even
had a bank account. They took her in with no problems, did the
operation, and presented her with a bill for $25,000. She got on the
phone and called the surgeon, the anesthesiologist, the hospital,
etc.etc. and explained the situation, and all their bills immediately
came down to 50-60%. They all said the same thing--that they were
charging her the rate for an individual patient paying for his own
care, but they would be happy to accept the much lower amount that her
insurance company would have paid. She worked out a deal to pay
$100/mo. for probably the rest of her life, no interest!

What do you care? You're rich! 8^)

My wife has a kidney transplant. She works as a technical writer and
she could do better as a freelance but she has to have a job for a
company because there's no way she could get individual health
insurance. I am self employed, 56 years old and diabetic, and though
I'm very healthy I couldn't get insurance for myself for less than
$1500/mo. so I'm lucky to have my wife's insurance.

 

Cobra here was higher, more like $700 month.

If one loses their job, most likely their chances are they cannot afford
Cobra either - much less of a year of it. Should one find a new job with a
"no-group medical policy," then they may be denied coverage for their
pre-existing condition. So they lose in the end, or they may stipulate that
their policy may not cover their pre-existing condition, i.e. "No thoracic
or abdominal surgery covered."

With more companies getting out of group medical (it costs more since they
insure everyone, even pre-existing conditions) what is left other than some
sort of socialized medicine?

B~

 

Well, I prefer fresh to "sitting in a supermarket tray for 3 weeks."

Did the term "grilled" confuse you? I was not referring to the front of
my vehicle, but rather the thing that goes over the coals on a barbeque!

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

The recipe starts out telling you to put the moose nose on a stick and
hold it over the fire to burn all the hair off...I am not making this up!

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

..00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001. The other
10 billion are on vacation. It's Memorial Day weekend, ya know.

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

Pecos Bill would have jumped off the bike onto the buck, grabbed it by
the antlers and ridden it to a stop. Then he would have made sausage.

--
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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

We could set that up, ya know. Get all these sooper karatee doods and
run them around the obstacle track, complete with *surprises.*
I wanna see some real Ninja action!

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

1. ride on road
2. deer jump out and hit you
3. you fall over

That about it, Jim?

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

.....*land mines* ?......

Buy a Kawasaki!

 

PREAMBLE

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general *Welfare*, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.

 

I've had a few low-sides that were slow motion affairs -- seeing them
coming gave me time to repeat the mantra "relax, let go, enjoy the ride"

High side get-offs are more like "Oh, this is interesting -- I'm tumbling on
tarmac at 60mph. Uh, I'd like this to stop now... please?"

And of course, the first question any biker asks is: "How is the bike?"

 

LOL! It's true!

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Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC



"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 

Mercy Jim... I'm so happy you're still with us... I shall hold your thoughts the
next time I'm up in deer country... because I think I'm way over due for my
first deer strike...

I ask myself what is the problem with deer??? are they stupid??? skitterish???
death wish??? I don't think so... because a study of all living things shows an
inherent will to live... so why do I fear hitting one and ending both of our
lives??? well it seems we all wish to do the right thing but in a split second
choose the wrong thing to do... is it related to the size of the brain??? well
we do have the biggest brain but how many times have we witnessed a big brain
racer fall on the inside of a track and then run clear across to the other side
of the track for safety??? we clearly observe that this action is the wrong
thing
to do... but to the racer it's the right thing to do... well deer also make the
wrong decision and may cross paths...

A study of Prey and Predators tell us that to avoid danger an animal must employ
the sense of sight... sound and smell... A Mountain Lion might must beat a
Deer's defenses to eat... and they know that Deer are not easy prey... quite the
contrary... they think they are down right hard to catch... what is working
against the Mountain Lion and in the Deer's favor is a keen sense of smell...
unfortunately that's the one sense a rider on a bike doesn't have... we don't
smell dangerous enough for deer to steer clear and they end up doing the wrong
thing... If we smelled like Mountain Lions... I doubt we ever run into them
again...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
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If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
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Yank and bank your brains loose...
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Personally, I think they're possessed. Satan's creatures. Forget bats or
other animals associated with the dark side. Deer are it.

Plus they're terminally stupid, of course.

The scares I've had, where the deer jumps into the middle of the street,
then beautifully faints a few times about what direction it's going to take
so confuse you, while you're practising emergency braking skills and
simultaneously wondering where you'll get toilet paper to wipe yourself if
you make it through. There ought to be a discretely arranged dispenser
somewhere on our bikes, I tell you, between SUV drivers, deer and road
conditions in the Bay Area it's a miracle we don't all ride in Depends more
often...

....pablo

 

Maybe they have animal magnetism, and are attracted to dumb ass
decisions, like teenagers.
Thanks for the reply, and stay inpervious to peril.
Jim