Safe?

While an entirely correct observation you missed one key clue about
this poster that indicates attempting *ANYTHING* resembling logic is
more of a waste of time than arguing with Hammo.

<points silently to Tony's ISP in his email address>

Nuff said.

JL

 

Struggling with English are we Smiley ? He stated that he would like
him to **** off back to church. If there is any implication in that,
it's that church goers are sanctimonious. I personally think that's
pretty fair comment. We all know there's people with imaginary friends
who also ride bikes, that's OK, bikers are an accepting bunch most of
us will accept people with mental issues(1) and delusions without
being *too* critical

JL
(1) I think the mental illness associated with hearing voices that
aren't there and seeing things no one else can see is called
Schizophrenia, I could be wrong though

 

Ya goddamn beginner. I did that one one bike.

Tell him what you really think. Save the rest of us some typing.

Beer mate?

Theo

 

Nice dog.

Theo

 

Except you argue with me, all the time, dear John.

Hammo

Does the aol thing still hold true, or are we getting back to the good old
days when "research" bodies had this marvel of communication?

ObMoto: I have a vest, and I wear it at times.

 

Yes, yes, hook, line, sinker...

To state that schizophrenia is akin to having imaginary friends is pretty
offensive and a long way off the mark. Drop me an email, or we can have
tete a tete here...

Hammo

 

A GB post that I can agree with!

Hammo

 

Then stay off bikes. We'll all be safer.

In Oz, to maintain the population, 262,000 people have to die every year.
Last year 1600 people died on the roads, yet, as the average vehicle travels
12,000 kms per year, each person must spend 15 minutes in a vehicle every
day. Thus 2729 people should die each year whilst in a vehicle. Ergo, it's
much safer to be in a vehicle than out of one.

Theo
Ain't maths fun?

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:59:16 +1100

Where the differences are is mostly about the number of people who
will be distracted or careless enough to not notice, but will notice
if the exception - a light or a bright colour - is exceptional enough.

Like what kit you wear, it is a personal preference issue.

I found that the bike made a big difference, if it was unusual enough
it was noticed. I find the same on the recumbent.

I haven't tried the vest thing, no idea what difference it would make,
but then I don't *get* the close calls.... I dunno if it's that my
positioning and observation is better than average, or if it's the
traffic I ride in and the times I ride.

I tend to the idea that while a vest might catch the eye of the
unknown number who are careless but can process well enough to catch
the vest and then do the right thing, it has a bad effect on others
who see it and thnk badly of the wearer for some reason. Either
"wimp" or "lowlife" or whatever. I don't know how many of each there
are, the number encountered probably depends on a hell of a lot of
factors including one's own behaviour.


Zebee

 

Well I *did* say MORE of a waste of time. Besides, have I ever said
that arguing with you ISN'T a waste of time ? I just have this
quixotic desire to actually have a sensible exchange of viewpoints
with you, and inevitably end up in a (what was the phrase Clem coined)
"Hamfuscation" ?

Yeah, no tongue in cheek there - it really is my experience - I'm an
admin on jag-lovers.org and a huge percentage of our problem
subscribers are from AOL, and they really do behave in (choose one)
cretinous, ill educated, gobsmackingly self serving, pig ignorant or
like they are doing us a favour for utilising a service they get for
free and hence we should spend tens of hours helping them fix
something utterly unrelated to us. Sometimes all of the above.

Like all generalisations it will fail in a particular instance, but as
an heuristic, assuming an AOLer is an ignorant moron until otherwise
proven is a fairly safe bet.

I'm surprised to be honest. <Thinks> Hang on, this is Hammo.

Yes but do you wear it while riding a motorcycle ? Is it a reflective
safety vest as per earlier in the thread or are we talking about a
wooly knitted one you wear under your jacket in winter or some other
type of vest? If a flouro reflective safety vest that you are wearing
on a motorcycle while riding it, are you doing so because you expect a
safety benefit or merely because it's a convenient way of transporting
it from "A" to "B" (being two physically distinct but unspecified
geographic locationsas opposed to other definitions of "A" and "B").
<pause> that's all the mis-directions and obfuscations I can think of
- did I miss any ?

JL

 

OK, I sit corrected. I don't think I still have an email address for
you so unless you'd like to update me with yours it'll be on here (1).

BTW though, my layman's generalisation about the similarity between
the religious and the symptoms of schizophrenia are echoed by the
symptoms section of schizophrenia.org (which seems to claim some
authority on the subject)

http://www.sfnsw.org.au/schizophrenia/symptoms.htm

Delusions
Delusions are false personal beliefs held with extraordinary
conviction in spite of what others believe and in spite of obvious
proof or evidence to the contrary.

Hallucinations
Hallucinations can occur in any of the five senses but the most common
are auditory.

This is entirely consistent with my quote above:

I could argue that the section on "disorganised behaviour" also
describes many religious leaders in Australia, but that's probably a
minefield I'm better off staying out of !

Let's just stick with:

The assertion that there is an invisible supernatural being who loves
me etc etc sounds like a delusion to me - " a belief held with
extraordinary conviction" despite the lack of any supporting evidence
- if it's not a delusion it's certainly a close cousin (if it looks
like a rabbit, and hops like a rabbit it's a kangaroo ?)

The statement made by some christians (particularly evangelical
americans) that they "talk with god" and state that it's a two way
conversation - sounds like an auditory hallucination to me.

I dunno, maybe I'm being unfair but christians seem to be suffering a
psychosis remarkably similar to schizophrenia, maybe it should be
classified as being in the same genus but not the same species(2)
(stretching a simile there but I think it communicates what I mean).

JL

(1) jlittler at strategic revolutions dott com - change the obvious
punctation modifiers and close the gap between strat and rev
(2) no I don't mean it literally but I'm not aware of a taxonomic
grouping for illnesses although there probably is.

 

Right... are there any vegetarians in the house?

 

I like Vegetarian food!

Moike
(Cows are vegetarians, right?)

 

i'm 46. haven't got a car. i wanna go somewhere it's bus/train
or my 805cc sweetpea.

wet. dry. windy. stinkin' bloody hot. wintry. don't matter..
still gotta get to work up james ruse drive, or wherever.

my bike has the only wheels in my life.

Tony, accidents happen, as do unfortunate circumstances.

if you think about it, -it- will probably happen.

you know and i know every time i step out my door to
go anywhere could be my last time. not my bad, but i
have no control on the dckwad fishtailing his rx7 up
a wet and greasy pitt st. i swerve but ... and so the
stories go. treat each ride like it's your last ride tony.
you'll find you become stubborn because you are having
too good a time ridin', to give it up.

have belief in your ability, be prepared mentally for the
worst, take nothing for granted, anticipate what the idjits
in the cages will do (more.. what would u do in the suv),
and remember, it goes, where your eyes go. pay attention.

kinda liberating, and invigorating. (but yes, there have
been times when a car would have been.. nice).

ego. motorcycles. shirley you jest?

dad

 

I don't know much about schizophrenia myself, but I have a very good friend who is schizophrenic and has alot of issues with voices
putting him down and harrasing him whenever he tries to make a go of something (he has tried numerous times to hold a job or go into
tertiary studies). Another friend lives with him and acts as his carer.

He refers to the voices jokingly as his imaginary friends. We make jokes about it quite often together. He doesn't find such
references as offensive in the slightest.

 

I reckon he's not far off the mark. I'm tending to hear about a lot of
offs, and more than a fair share are fatalities.

Nah. I kid myself that those who've come to grief just weren't riding to
the conditions and their capabilities. I wont' get killed, 'cause I know
better. (hey! it works for me) Oh - except for the times when I DON'T
know better, of course.

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Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]


'01 Yamaha FJR1300

www.dmcsc.org.au
http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
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But Zebee - everyone knows you're different.
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Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]


'01 Yamaha FJR1300

www.dmcsc.org.au
http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
# 37181

 

Just think of the extra fuel you'd be wasting.

What brand of air horn are you using? The electric ones on the FJR are
piddling, compared to the stock ones on the K100. Was going to try and
squeeze in a Fiamm (however it's spelt), but they look rather bulky.
---
Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]


'01 Yamaha FJR1300

www.dmcsc.org.au
http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
# 37181

 

Right... so, you swear by the vest even though, in your own experience,
it doesn't work?

Does that mean you've been taken out multiple times?

That would only make your faith in the vest more irrational.

But it looks like I can sleep in as late as I like and still manage to
get a rise out of you...

Ahuh. So, when you do get stopped, what's the reason behind it, usually?
What's this "break" the cops "cut" you?

I honestly couldn't give two shits

This happened in Concord...

The basically-decent, but inattentive types, right?

If they're not looking when they pull out or start changing lanes, they
either need to do a double-take, or their attention needs to be
attracted by, say, your horns...

Now, if you're close enough to them for them to constitute a threat when
they start their manoeuvre, how can you really be any more visible in
their mirrors (which'd already be full of your headlight, mind you) with
your vest on, and how can you really be any more audible with a bank of
air horns than a stock air horn?

What's more, what are you doing hanging around in a position of
vulnerability for long enough for them to be able to get near you?

For example, in your last incident, you found yourself trapped in the
kerbside lane between the kerb and a 4WD towing a boat turning left from
the middle lane. What were you doing there long enough for him to be
able to slow down and start the turn?

My approach is to try not to spend any more than a few seconds alongside
any single other vehicle in traffic. If they're quick enough to get me
then, then they deserve the kill.

Your faith in human nature is yours, then.

 

IK needs to enroll in some serious anger management classes, because 90%
of his latest crop of posts (of which thankfully there aren't many) have
indicated a serious case of SOTL.
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Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]


'01 Yamaha FJR1300

www.dmcsc.org.au
http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
# 37181