Running In new engine

Hey All,

Just looking for some advice - I'm in the process of running in the
engine of my new R1, I've never run in an engine from scratch before
and have been told contradictory stuff. The manual says don't rev it
over 7000 rpm for the first 1000K's and then don't rev it over 8000
for the next 600 (To bring it to 1600K's). The guy at the shop said
"Don't worry about that just vary the revs as much as possible - no
constant revs where possible, I've been doing this but its hard to
stay under the speed limit.

It will get its first service on Friday and they will change the oil.
I have been told not to use synthetic oil in it for the first 5,000
km. I always put synthetic in the duke as I thought it was better and
I never had any problems...

Any comments / Advice?

 

There's a reason why that guy is working as a salesman and not as a Yamaha
engine designer...

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Apart from the excellent advice offered by paulh,

Synthetic V Mineral.

Synthetic is just a bit too good. The running in period requires a
little bit of wear as the components bed in. Mineral oil will allow
that to happen more easily. I suppose if you use synthetic to run it
in, you'd have to run it in for a fair bit longer.

Why is it so hard to stay under the speed limit while varying the revs?

You know that little lever in front of your left toe? You can use it to
play music.


.... oh.. and the speed limit is an *upper* limit....

Moike

(I always use mineral oil. Dinosaur oil for dinosaur bikes.)

 

Vary revs and load . no full revs or throttle , if it sounds strained it
will be , long weekend and its run in .. when your sure it is run in
change from dino to synthetic and enjoy.

 

Why is it so hard to stay under the speed limit while varying the revs?

Have you ridden an R1? If you rev it much past idle in anything other
than 1st you're over most speed limits ;-)

Jules

 

Done !!!!! Pauline H from now on.
James
04 Rocket III

 

The new R1 does 160Km/hr at redline (14grand ?) in first gear Moike, and
it apparently bogs down below about 4grand, you do the math....

JL
(I'm going on info from bike mags - haven't ridden the current R1 yet
but I gather in stock form it's utterly useless on Australian roads -
step 1 gear it down a couple of teeth ...)
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I hear they have a lot of primary safety.....
Clem

 

The ability to mono at any speed makes you a smaller target for the cars
to aim at ?

JL
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Australian Financial Review 17 August 2004
"So far Howard's luck has survived a great deal: his move to dismiss
broken election pledges by distinguishing between "core" and "non-core"
promises; his retrospectively time-limited "never ever" pledge on the
goods and services tax; his vagueness about when he committed Australia
to war against Iraq; his shifting standards for ministerial conduct; his
demonising of asylum seekers as child killers; his tendency to blame
"advice" rather than to openly accept responsibility when things go wrong."
Will Howard's luck survive another election ? Do Australians not care
that their PM is a liar ?
http://www.johnhowardlies.com/

 

Have a look at this. The guy at the shop understated it. Ride the hell
out of it if it's not too late already. The car people say the same and
the manufacturers......seem to be misleading us!


http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

 

I was talking to a Kawasaki dealer the other day and he said he had
seen new bikes at the Kawasaki factory in Hammamatsu (sp) in Japan and
this is what they were doing. Reving the nuts off new bikes on a dyno
after a warm up period.

I saw the same thing at the Hinckley Triumph factory in 2000 & 2001.

Every new Triumph coming off their assembly line went on to the
rolling road dyno and was run at what sounded like max revs for at
least 5 minutes.

So it could well be that those bikes arrive at the dealers more or
less *run in*, which could be why dealers these days say "just ride
it".

Kind regards
Dave Milligan

 

Knobdoodle said....

Taking the keys off some of the dickheads who own R1s is probably the
best primary safety measure......

 

Strange then that both Kawasaki and Triumph specify a strict running in period
(4000rpm for the first 800km and 6000rpm for the second 800km) for all their
bikes while Honda just say "don't pop too many wheelies on your way home front
the shop on your new bike".

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Are you sure they follow their own advice to customers when breaking in
new bikes?

 

That said, it may have been true when he wrote that. I don¹t have anything
to back up either side, but stranger things have happened (and worse things
too!).

Hammo

 

Maybe they DO do it and that's why the factory bikes are always faster than
the customer bikes. (And the ones they get tested are always better too!)
Clemspiracy Theory

 

They're not running the engine in when they do that. It's basically
the final assembly test before crating the bike up for delivery. If
the engine line monkeys didn't put all the nuts & bolts together
properly, a few minutes of full revs before it's out the factory door
is one way to see if the engine is going to throw something and eat
itself early in it's life. It's not new either, I've seen video
footage of exactly the same thing being done at Suzuki when the first
generation of GSX-R's came out (mid 80's?).

 

Gareth,

I accept that the purpose may not be for "running in" but surely it
does (partially) achieve that anyway.

Kind regards
Dave Milligan

 

I doubt they care one way or the other... they're not likely to keep the bike
long enough for it to matter to them.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

I'm talking about bikes for racing and such.....

I bet they don't do what they tell customers to do.