Running In Guide - Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Christofire, Aug 2, 2007.

  1. Christofire

    Christofire Guest

    Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
    mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
    independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
    think.

    Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
    http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
     
    Christofire, Aug 2, 2007
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  2. Christofire

    Muck Guest

    The instructions that came with my Nikasil cylinder kit on my two stroke
    only said no more than half throttle for the first 40 minutes. :)
     
    Muck, Aug 2, 2007
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  3. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Christofire
    "The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at all
    RPMs."

    Compared to what, exactly?

    How dramatic?

    Well? Well?

    Not that I'm looking for a reason to cane the tits of the 1400 on
    Saturday, or anything.

    --
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    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Aug 2, 2007
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  4. Christofire

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Hum. Seen it before somewhere. Everything he says makes sense in
    itself and is similar to breaking in two-strokes on a track to a
    certain extent from what I can recall. I'd be wary of using that exact
    technique on an older air-cooled design like a Guzzi, though.
    Assuming that he's right about the honing and other modern engine
    details.

    Just one trivial detail: he says "thousands of psi" in the combustion
    chamber, but I read somewhere that ignition raises combustion pressure
    by about 5 times in a petrol engine, so given say an effective CR of
    10:1 (WOT) then that's only about 750psi. Yeah, nit picking.
     
    Pip Luscher, Aug 2, 2007
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  5. Christofire

    AndrewR Guest

    My 6R has just ticked past 45,000 and it was run in using the Ade "Take it
    easy for the first tankful and then go for it method" and, my sheer
    incompetence aside, it's never given me a lick of bother. Even now, after
    all of the neglect, missed services and crashes, it still starts every
    morning, first time, on the button.

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    AndrewR, Aug 2, 2007
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  6. Christofire

    christofire Guest

    Of course not, and I didn't post it thinking about this, Sweller's
    engine woes.

    AndyRs plans are a bonus though.
     
    christofire, Aug 2, 2007
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  7. Basically he's jimmying on about avoiding bore glazing. All well and
    good and I agree with him on that, but I think he's talking bollocks
    about the quicky 20-mile run-in process, at least in the long term. For
    example, you can run-in a competition engine very quickly, but it's not
    intended to do 100,000 miles.

    As ever, what use the engine will be put to dictates treatment and
    everything is a trade-off for purpose.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
    river cleaned out in a day.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Aug 3, 2007
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  8. Christofire

    sweller Guest

    Mine's gone tits up because of overheating, probably caused by a shortage
    of oil (not enough to lube /and/ cool).

    I have a feeling I may know when this occurred and it may involve the M27.
    http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.motorcycles.classic/msg/d3e1a150962c
    3b37

    It's run ok for a year before the cam followers gave up the ghost so I
    may just sling it all back together.

    The pistons are 6 thou under spec the bores will get a honing. The crate
    is back in the game.
     
    sweller, Aug 3, 2007
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  9. Christofire

    Hog Guest

    We have done this here before and I pointed to this chaps website.
    I kinda hold with him though, ish.
    Take it real easy for the first tankful then slowly wind it up to the 500
    mile service, remembering engines sometimes use a different oil to that
    point, then gun it.

    Although I don't agree myself, some people think 996's can be fragile. Mine
    got this treatment and after the first service was taken for a weekend at
    Knockhill track in 25 deg heat (1). It ran flawlessly and quietly until I
    sold it with 12K on the clock.

    (1) the first and only time they had those temperatures
     
    Hog, Aug 3, 2007
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  10. Christofire

    Hog Guest

    Have you seen the size of the oil cooler on my Bastard12? one of those
    should do the trick!
     
    Hog, Aug 3, 2007
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  11. Christofire

    sweller Guest

    sweller, Aug 3, 2007
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  12. Christofire

    Hog Guest

    No and you don't need one in an oil based system
    You can see it here
    www.photobox.co.uk/album/1788003

    That engine is quite heavily tuned, runs high compression and it deffo does
    not overheat. In addition the 'cooler looks Pos as ****.
     
    Hog, Aug 3, 2007
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