Capitalism at its finest. -- Cheers! Fr Jack 96 Tiger. FRJACKUKRM AT GMAIL DOT COM skype: fr.jack (without the dot)
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Rope I've gone right off the whole thing now. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
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AOL, guv. I was hoping for Bloor stylie geezer to appear at the last moment, with Noddy Holder style Brummie accent and a huge stack of cash.
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Similar story with most of the old Cowley works. BMW have retained and modernised the main bit, the rest is now a business park, hotel, David Lloyd leisure thing, ooh, and Harley Davidson's offices. -- Dan L (Oldbloke) My bike 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr M'boy's bike 2003 Honda NSR125R Spare Bike 1990 Suzuki TS50X BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005), X-FOT#000, DIAABTCOD #26, BOMB#18 (slow)
I reckoned you meant Carpocration: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/C/Carpocra.asp Seems appropriate somehow...
With 20 years of decent pay under their belts, I'm sure that a lot of them will be able to invest in starting their own machining companies and comptete in the open market without government hand-outs. The rest (machine minders and unskilled assembly line robot watchers) will be glad of the change.
It's a mix of the two - there has been investment in new equipment and working practises - but not enough. When you walk through the factory it's like an episode of 'Goodnight Sweetheart' where you keep flipping between the 1990's and 1960's.
Rope emerged from their own little world to say Quite simply, those countries, and others, have invested in R&D to produce a better product often at a cheaper price than previous versions. I bought a new base model Seat Ibiza in 2000 for about £7000. 5 years later I can buy an updated version for much the same money. This is great for the consumer in the short term but not so good for long term, well paid, working class jobs in the UK. [0] The UK will have automotive manufacturing after the demise of Rover. Very little of it is owned by UK companies though[1]. S.Wales will hardly be affected[2] by the demise of Rover as the component industry here supplies a diverse range of car makers. The major automotive employers are the metal bashers, the Ford engine plant in Bridgend and Bosch who make alternators which are shipped all over the EU. The biggest challenge is keeping those jobs whilst there is continuing pressure to lower retail prices. As part of my research I've visited the local Bosch plant. They own land adjacent to their factory but are very unlikely to build on it. They see E.Europe as their most profitable future market and any expansion is likely to occur in Slovakia or Hungary. Of course, that factory would then be able to supply their traditional markets with cheaper products than their Welsh plant. [0] Sweller said something similar [1] nothing new in that just that there is less of a US bias [2] 600 of 25000 jobs are directly linked to Rover according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4423439.stm
There is a most useful husqvarna manual which could apply to most Chainsaws here. http://www.gardening-tools-direct.co.uk/content/husqwm271_hwen1997_1018855-26.pdf HTH -- Martin: "For a minute there, you bored me to death." VTR1000 Firestorm TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com
quality is conformance to requirements, if one of the customers requirements is cost then we can't compete. -- Martin: "For a minute there, you bored me to death." VTR1000 Firestorm TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com
I've never hear of cost being lumped in with quality before. All other things being equal, making a product cheaper doesn't make it higher quality.
Pip Luscher emerged from their own little world to say Cost is dependant on quality. Costs will be lowest if the product is made correctly first time. If you have to scrap something, rework the product before it leaves the factory or fix it in the field because of premature failure then you are reducing your profit margin. Part of my job as a failure analysis engineer at Xerox was to gather evidence so that the bean counters in my division could charge someone else if production went tits up. Preferably an external supplier but another Xerox division would do. Ultimately, I think it was this parochial blame culture, that was endemic throughout the manufacturing operations, that resulted in the near collapse of the business in 2000/1. Now that they have sub-contracted almost all manufacturing to a third party they seem to be doing better. Stock is up from $3 to $15 but still a long way from the peak.
Yes, but that's not (I think) what the previous poster meant. As I said: _all other things being equal_. He seemed to think that lower cost = higher quality.
My Dad had 2 827's in the 90's. Now, bear in mind this is the chap who was well known by the company[1] fleet managers and mechanics as always giving back cars with 100,000 miles on them looking and feeling like brand new[2]... They were utter shite. Paint problems, drive train problems, endless engine problems (I blew the piston rings on 3 cylinders one day just driving along the motorway when the car was 6 months old), interior rattles, everything. He couldn't wait to get rid of them. The equivalent Merc's and BMW's he had afterwards were in a completely different league. [1] Probably the largest construction company in the UK. [2] I'd love to know how he does it. His current BMW 325 coupe has 70,000 miles on it now and still _smells_ like new inside.
Rope was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever: Hmmm. Strangely enough a lot of people who have driven both an 800 and the car it is based on (the Honda Legend) seem to think that the original is considerably better than the one "adapted for the European market". I've driven both but only owned one, and for once it wasn't the cheaper of the two. If I were to buy one again I'd stick with a Honda.
Dyson covered off all of these in his Dimbleby lecture a while ago. Basically he'd received a right slagging off for moving manufacturing to China. His counter argument and a *very* valid one IMO was that he only moved the unskilled manual labour. The UK would be foolish to try and compete due simply to economy of scale. All the R&D and "proper" engineers remain within Dyson UK.
