Round 5, FOAK: 1982 Kawie KZ550 C3 LTD Restoration Options

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Biker Dude, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    This is fun. I simply ask the technical questions and the rest of you
    good souls log on and start swearing....

    1st: I just used Slime and if you use the recommended amount then it
    WILL NOT cause an imbalance.

    2nd: The Slime treatment did not seal the leak this time and I will
    replace the tire, look around inside, and replace the valve and report
    back.

    Ques: The proper tire is 100/90x19. I tend to buyer larger tires than
    standard because it simply enlarges the diameter and offers more patch
    to grip the road. The is for cars. Should I go one size larger?
    110/90x19 or any other size? My intuition tells me to keep the
    original size.....

    What say ye, FOAK? <as I duck for cover>
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 6, 2009
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  2. That's because TOG is a self-important asshole. He's been that way
    ever since the other chaps at the boarding school rode him rather
    roughly...
    It's not a good idea to mess around with changing tire sizes for a
    number of reasons.

    1. If you mount a wider tire than standard on the rims you have, the
    tire sidewalls may be closer together than is optimum for the wider
    tire, so it will "crown" in the center, IOW, the cross-sectional
    profile will be rounder than optimum, so you can't use all of the tire
    when you lean over. This is especially noticeable with rear tires,
    since you want to be able to lean over until you feel a distinct
    *edge* of the tire at maximum lean angle. Front tires have a more
    radial cross-sectional profile so you never feel the edge, you just
    run off it and the front tire washes out, which is what you want it to
    do.

    2. If you install a larger diameter tire, it will lower your cruising
    RPM slightly, and you might need to downshift to a lower gear to climb
    a hill or fight a headwind.

    3. Larger diameter tires also raise the center of gravity of the
    machine slightly and change the steering feel slightly too.

    All that said, if I found that a manufacturer offered an attractive
    110/80x19 tire, I would check out their technical specifications
    section to see if it would fit on my original rims properly and still
    be the same diameter as the 100/90x19 tire.
     
    little man upon the stair, Nov 6, 2009
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  3. Yes, do that. Mismatched tyres can set up some odd handling effects.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 6, 2009
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  4. Biker Dude

    Bob Scott Guest

    Stick with your 100/90 19. I dunno about the LTD but the standard Z550
    felt fine with a Brdigestone BT45 in that size.

    Come to think of it, my wife reckons the 100/90 19 Continental Avenue
    front tyre on her bike is as good as the BT45 it replaced & I liked it
    because it was cheaper than the BT :)
     
    Bob Scott, Nov 7, 2009
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  5. The decision to use a BT45 might depend on how much the owner rides in
    the wet.

    California has a dry, semi-mediterranean climate (read: almost north
    African) most of the year and I don't ride in the rainy season any
    way.

    BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
    because of the
    deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
     
    little man upon the stair, Nov 7, 2009
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  6. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    Update: I used a large bench vise to break the beads on the tire.
    Worked reasonably well, prying the carcuss of the rim was a treat.

    Only obvious problem was that this skin had been on the bike for
    10 or 20 years. The rim was embedded with rubber scum. Used
    paint stripper to remove the rubber and polished the entire bead with
    a rotary buffer.

    Does anyone know the DOT date codes for tires? That's "tyres" for TOG
    and it seems that tire ratings may be nearly universal nowdays.

    Biker Dude
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 7, 2009
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    Biker Dude Guest

    I wanted to make sure that some of the small areas of corrosion were
    removed along with the traces of embedded rubber. Don't want any
    chance of a leak from the bead area.

    It's a front tire and I don't think there's any chance of it spinning
    on the rim.

    It did get me curious about tires, tire ratings, etc., I looked up
    some info such as speed ratings, sizing. In a metric world it seems
    that tire diameters are measured in inches. Weird.
     
    Biker Dude, Nov 7, 2009
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  8. Utter nonsense. Unlike you, I use them regularly. On my third set on the
    K.

    And they're dual compound tyres: hard rubber on the centreline for
    straight motorway running, and softer rubber on the sides (which don't
    get used as much) for cornering.

    And their rain channels are no deeper than any other
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 7, 2009
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  9. <Nods in agreement>

    Makles sense.

    In any case, chromed rims are fairly highly polished and smooth, and
    tyres don't generally slip on those.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 7, 2009
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  10. We started out with the English system, so we have wheels defined in
    inches and speed ratings defined in miles per hour, and I have no
    problem whatever with that.

    It's hard enough to understand the language of engineering using the
    English system, without complicating it with a system where it's easy
    to be in error by a factor of 10, 100, or 1000.

    Remember the American Mars probes that failed because of a problem
    with a conflict between the English system and the metric system?


    The metric system is a French conspiracy to undermine the Americans
    and British with confusing units. It looks logical at first, and then
    you discover absurdities in the basic units.

    Like, anybody can understand inflation pressure in pounds per square
    inch,
    they deal with canned items that typically contain about a pound of
    whatever.

    You can get a general idea that an ounce is 1/16th of a pound, but
    nobody ever talks about tire inflation pressure in terms of ounces per
    square inch...

    But the pascal, as I recall, is the basic pressure unit of the metric
    conspiracy
    and it's approximately equal to the weight of an annoying French fly
    sitting on a postage stamp in a vacuum.

    Is that insane, or what?
     
    little man upon the stair, Nov 7, 2009
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  11. One set was enough for me. I need more consistent grip.
     
    little man upon the stair, Nov 7, 2009
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  12. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest


    Silly little girl, you use slime BEFORE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM...sheesh.
     
    S'mee, Nov 7, 2009
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  13. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest

    AH but you don't ride in the rain you uneducated goat raper. The
    BT45's do well everywhere BUT mud, sand and ice. Yeah, I've actuall
    done all that...

    Now dear "hating yorself because you are homosexual" Krusty. **** offf
    you don't know shit from shinola boy.
     
    S'mee, Nov 7, 2009
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  14. Biker Dude

    S'mee Guest

    Oh you are a wit...less.
     
    S'mee, Nov 7, 2009
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    Bob Scott Guest

    I've had them on a Z550, VFR750, Pegaso, CB900F, second set on the
    Laverda and we're run them on the Bonneville as well. Can't say I've
    ever noticed them being squirmy in the 50000 plus miles I've done on
    them in the last 10 years plus.

    The only reason we tried the Conti's on the Bonneville was that they
    were on special offer.
    They do last well.

    Probably why I keep buying them.
     
    Bob Scott, Nov 7, 2009
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  16. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

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    Biker Dude, Nov 7, 2009
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    paul c Guest

    little man upon the stair wrote:
    ....
    Seems sane to me - he has to sit if there's no air.
     
    paul c, Nov 7, 2009
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  18. On a sports bike, you might. But they're not sold as sports bike tyres.

    I see you've snipped the 'rain channels' bit. Why?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 7, 2009
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  19. Not always ;-)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 7, 2009
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  20. Reincarnated from a donkey in a previous existence, Keith amassed much
    fixed karma as a soldier serving evil intentions for personal profit.
    He was misguided by defiled mentations of "patriotism. Keith will
    spend eons as a hell-being, before given the chance to be reborn as a
    human being with the possibility of becoming enlightened...
    May flowers fall gently from the sky and create a field of beauty
    which will attract the Sangha...

    Snippets of wisdom from "Engaging in Bodhisattva Behavior" by
    Shantideva, a 7th century Buddhist scholar, who was influenced by the
    prasangita-madhyamaka viewpoint

    Chapter 6. Showing Patience

    (1) Whatever generosity,
    Offerings to the Blissfully Gone and the like,
    And positive deeds I've amassed over thousands of eons -
    One moment of hatred will devastate them all.

    (2) As no negative force resembles anger,
    And no trial resembles patience,
    I shall therefore meditate on patience,
    With effort and in various ways.

    ************************************************************************************

    (42) Previously, I must have inflicted
    Such pain on limited beings,
    Therefore, it's fitting that harm comes to me,
    Who've been a cause of violence toward limited ones.

    (43) Both his weapon and my body
    Are the causes of my suffering.
    Since he drew out a weapon and I a body,
    Toward which should I get enraged?

    (44) Blinded by craving, I've grabbed hold of a painful boil
    That's shaped like a human and can't bear to be touched,
    And so when it's bruised,
    Toward what should I get enraged?

    *********************************************************************************

    (47) Incited by my own karmic behavior,
    Those who hurt me come my way,
    And if, by their actions, these limited beings should fall
    to the joyless realms,
    Surely, wasn't it I who have ruined them?

    (48) Based on them, my negative karmic force
    Is greatly cleansed, because of my patience;
    But, based on me, they fall
    To the joyless realms, with long-lasting pain.

    (49) Since I'm, in fact, causing harm to them,
    And they're the ones who are benefiting me,
    Why, unreasonable mind, do you make it the reverse
    And get into a rage?

    (50) If I have the advantage of wishing to be patient,
    I won't be going to a joyless realm;
    But although I'm safeguarding myself in this way,
    What happens to them in this matter?

    (51) And if I were to harm them back instead,
    They wouldn't be safeguarded either,
    While my other bodhisattva behavior would also decline,
    And, consequently, those having trials would be lost.

    (52) Because of its being immaterial,
    No one can destroy my mind, by any means;
    But because of its obsessive involvement with my body,
    It's hurt by suffering in connection to the body.

    (53) Yet) Insults, cruel language,
    And defaming words
    Don't hurt my body,
    So, why, O mind, do you become so enraged?

    *********************************************************************************

    "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me"
    --- Shantideva Upsaka, 2009

    Om! Shanti! Shanti! Shanti!
     
    Shantideva Upasaka, Nov 7, 2009
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