Round 3, FOAK: 1982 Kawie KZ550 C3 LTD Restoration Options

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Biker Dude, Oct 7, 2009.

  1. Biker Dude

    Biker Dude Guest

    Thanks to all who have helped me so far! I followed your advice,
    changed BOTH throttle cables, and the force needed to control the
    throttle is much less, the bike is now rideable for at least short
    distances. Will take it on a long trip soon and then report back......

    (The old cables sure looked like a mess when I removed them and
    inspected them up close.)

    What about all the stripped screwdriver slots in all the fasteners
    that hold it together? I have one machine screw that is busted off
    but it's above the casting so I can heat it after I remove the engine
    to keep from starting the whole bike on fire. Z-1 Enterprises sells
    replacement machine screws for bikes that all have Allen heads.

    My question to the group is this:

    Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
    Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

    Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM
     
    Biker Dude, Oct 7, 2009
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  2. Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 7, 2009
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  3. Biker Dude

    1949 Whizzer Guest

    I don't use either one on screw threads.

    I spray WD40 on the threads so the screw will turn in smoothly.

    I never use a torque wrench on threads that I've lubricated in this
    manner, I rely upon my calibrated wrist when tightening the bolt.

    Several months (or years) later, when I loosen the WD40 lubricated
    bolt, it takes the same amount of force as if I was loosening a
    factory intalled bolt.

    The bolt (or screw) comes loose with a *snapping* sound.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 7, 2009
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  4. Biker Dude

    1949 Whizzer Guest

    They salt the roads in England, don't they?
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 7, 2009
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    M.Badger Guest

    Get the nearest size bit to what remains of the head. Coat it lightly in
    fine valve grinding paste and thump it in. The shock can help break the
    corrosion and the grinding paste helps the bit grip the head.
    Stainless steel fasteners with, in personal order of preference, aluminium
    grease, copper grease or moly grease thinly smeared in to the threads works
    for me in the land of road salt.
     
    M.Badger, Oct 7, 2009
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  6. Yes, hence the copper grease. Your point?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 8, 2009
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    Mark Guest

    Mark speaks truth :)

    There's also thread SEALER. It's a weak version of Locktite that just
    keeps air, moisture and spooge out of the threads. Good for non-
    critical screws (whatever those are) or screws that won't vibrate out.
    Locktite does the same thing, but also prevents the screws from
    loosening. Loctite doesn't affect torqueing. For more information than
    you'd care about:

    http://www.henkelna.com/us/content_data/138230_LT4985TLCapabilityGd.pdf

    Lots of other information their web page too. For a mechanical geek,
    very interesting.

    Seize grease does affect correct torque values, so be careful!
     
    Mark, Oct 8, 2009
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    1949 Whizzer Guest

    Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM may or may not ride on salted roads.

    AIR, the author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance began his
    cross country fugue in Minnesota where it's cold and it snows at lot.

    However, CalTrans doesn't salt California roads around here so a
    metallic anti-seize compound is not required.

    It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides
    on California's high speed roads.

    And I haven't lost a threaded fastener off of one of my moyotorcycles
    in years, after using the WD40 and hand torquing technique I mentioned
    above.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 8, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    So? Fasteners still corrode over time, unless you're living in a
    really dry region.
    So? What has this to do with things?
    So? Who knows where the OP lives?
    So? It's important to have fasteners stay fastened on *any* ride.
    Nor have I.

    And again, your point?
     
    TOG@Toil, Oct 8, 2009
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    1949 Whizzer Guest

    That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
    I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
    drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
    "humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 8, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    I'm not arguing at all. I honestly can't understand what you're
    blabbering on about. You've obviously decided to try and debate some
    point or other, wittered on about Robert Pirsig, said that California
    doesn't salt roads, and generally posted a load of irrelevant
    nonsense.

    Once more: your point? Please?
     
    TOG@Toil, Oct 8, 2009
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    Guest Guest

    OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
    invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
    the past, several times).

    If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
    taking it over to the IoM for the TT...
     
    Guest, Oct 8, 2009
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  13. Biker Dude

    TOG@Toil Guest

    I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
    riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.

    And as proof, we can dig out the Clique Runners' impressive tally of
    speeding tickets.

    Really, though, he does post the most fearful bollocks.
     
    TOG@Toil, Oct 8, 2009
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    1949 Whizzer Guest

    That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
    I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
    drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
    "humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 8, 2009
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  15. Biker Dude

    1949 Whizzer Guest

    That only happens during the two rush hours on the sections from the
    stoplight at State St. in Santa Barbara to downtown Los Angeles, a
    distance of about 100 miles.

    And there is no place where 101 has six lanes, so far as I recall.

    When I lived in Hollyweird, I would always take an alternate route
    through Santa Paula and Fillmore whenever returning from Santa Barbara
    on a Sunday afternoon.

    Avid motorcyclists learned long ago that they needed to get up early
    to beat the cagers if they wanted to use the 101 to go anywhere on
    Sunday.

    The cagers usually don't get onto the road before 11:00 AM and by that
    time, Sunday riders who gathered at the Rock Store are typically on
    their way home to watch a football game or to get in their own cage
    and take their wife to the mall.
    I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
    Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
    usual shite.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 8, 2009
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    1949 Whizzer Guest

    If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
    be to tour historic buildings and museums.
     
    1949 Whizzer, Oct 8, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT), 1949 Whizzer

    snip>
    I think you'll find that the OP posted to three groups from the start
    so forget the evil clown, let's concentrate on the sister fucking
    redneck that doesn't know how to read headers.

    That's you btw, don't be fooled into thinking I meant anyone else.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 8, 2009
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  18. Oh, I do like it. I love seeing Krusty make an arse of himself in front
    of a global audience. Fun to watch you do it, too.

    OP asked for advice. Mark Olson, myself and M Badger gave exactly the
    same (good) advice. Krusty tried to stir it up and, interestingly, chose
    to stir it up with me rather than the other two posters who gave the
    same advice.

    Now he realises he's looking silly and has started bleating.

    End. Of.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 8, 2009
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  19. I did? Are you sure it wasn't the OP?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 8, 2009
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  20. Let's cut you some slack. What, exactly, was wrong with the advice given
    by Mark, Badger and myself?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 8, 2009
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