Rossi-Bayliss Swap is bollocks

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Manning, Sep 18, 2003.

  1. Manning

    Manning Guest

    Surprised that this hasn't made it to aus.moto as of yet, but there is a
    rumour going around that Honda and Ducati were going to swap Rossi and
    Bayliss for 2004.

    News limited has this story:
    http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,7293523-23770,00.html

    Anyway I just got off the phone with a mate who is editing the DVD
    documentary about Bayliss (to be premiered at the GP in Oct, no less) and he
    refuted the story outright. Apparently Troy has got no idea where the story
    originated but insists it is complete bollocks.

    Manning
     
    Manning, Sep 18, 2003
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  2. adrian clutterbuck, Sep 18, 2003
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  3. Manning

    Manning Guest

    Thanks for the link.

    Amazing - the article which is 99% a discussion about Rossi and the
    mysterious movements of Ducati executives, contains one idle speculation in
    the second last paragraph about the possibility of Bayliss going to Honda
    "if the Australian were to get an offer from Repsol HRC".

    Somehow News Limited turned that into "Rossi and Bayliss To Swap". There's
    some classy journalism there that is.

    Manning
     
    Manning, Sep 18, 2003
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  4. Manning

    Knobdoodle Guest

    I'm sure Mladin thought the same about the rumour that Cagiva were courting Kocinski!
    Clem
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    Knobdoodle, Sep 18, 2003
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  5. Manning

    Manning Guest

    I don't think my mate was suggesting that the rumour about Ducati courting
    Rossi was being denied (or confirmed). The denial was in regard to Repsol
    Honda courting Bayliss and/or a swap being on offer.

    Cheers
    Manning
     
    Manning, Sep 18, 2003
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  6. Manning

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Damn; I was happier thinking Bayliss had somewhere to go!

    (....although spreading rumours can backfire on you. When Pete Goddard rode a ROC yamaha for Peter Clifford
    he was the top privateer and he kept telling everybody that he was fielding offers to be in a works team next
    year.
    Naturally Peter Clifford signed up a replacement rider and the when the "works" offers all evaporated, Goddard
    was out on his arse and came back to Oz [where he promptly won the championship])
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Sep 18, 2003
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  7. Will Sutton wrote:

    Put it this way, Ducati would love to have the best rider in the World ( and an
    Italian at that ) on its bike but I cant see Honda wanting to let him go.

    Rossi is a smart guy and knows Ducati are still teething so to speak too early to move ,and
    furthermore he would be insane to leave a well established team,if so though Max would slot
    perfectly into the Repsol team if Rossi left and then Max would start winning easily on a
    factory hahaonda bike,with nobody to catch him (Max was not given 4 x 250cc championships on a
    plate he is a tough skilled rider,top 3 for sure) so Rossi has it all to lose if he moves

    Furthmore,i don't believe Rossi could really extract much more out of the Ducati at this
    stage,in any case 125cc/250cc world champion Loris and SBK champion top guy digger Troy are
    doing a great job,nobody could really have a complaint,Ducati SpA agree and both are signed on
    for 04'

    Rossi would first have to want to leave hahonda and then Ducati can do what William's did to
    Senna and make him ride for NOTHING as in no pay just his personal sponsors would be his income
    for the ride,that would make hhahondas current $15million a year be great salt in the wound for
    them

    Finally Rossi is already a better rider than doohan so that makes him one of the best ever for
    sure,so the best result is Ducati must win without him otherwise they will say it is him and not
    the bike that wins,i believe both Troy and Loris can beat him,only a little bit more work is
    required
    Currently Loris seems more comfortable on a Ducati MotoGP bike than Troy,but things can turn at
    any moment but they best both look out as Hodgson is getting a DesmoMotoGP bike too next season
    :))

    CDIHL
     
    Dott.Ing.HatzOlah®, Sep 18, 2003
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  8. Manning

    Nev.. Guest

    You're getting pretty good at inventing your own version of history. It was
    Senna who offered to drive for Williams for free, not the other way round.

    Nev..
    '02 CBR1100XX #2
     
    Nev.., Sep 18, 2003
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  9. Manning

    michael Guest

    as opposed to you? well at least bayliss will get some benefit out of that
    whereas you on the _other hand_...
     
    michael, Sep 19, 2003
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  10. Manning

    michael Guest

    michael, Sep 19, 2003
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  11. Manning

    Fwoar Guest

    So the Factory Yamaha was a Privateer bike??

    Interesting

    Daron
     
    Fwoar, Sep 23, 2003
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  12. Manning

    Nev.. Guest

    I disagree. Valentino has proved time and time again that he is a superior
    rider to Max, regardless of the machinery. M. Schumacher in the Ferrari vs
    Hakkenin & Coulthard in the McLarens has proved that a superior driver in an
    slower machine can win world championships. Both riders on the Ducatis this
    year have demonstrated that the bike is easily within striking distance of the
    Hondas at most circuits and Rossi could easily emulate the task performed by
    Shuey.

    The fact that Max on both equivalent (Honda) or slightly inferior (Yamaha)
    bikes consistently finished 2nd or 3rd behind both Rossi and Doohan only
    serves to highlight the fact that the bike does not the rider make...
    especially when other riders on Hondas (Gibernau and Barros at the end of last
    season) have been able to race against, rattle and beat Rossi, a task which
    has eluded Max. That's not to say that Max isn't a good rider, he has
    consistently proved to be the 2nd or 3rd best. He's just never been The
    best. If he'd stayed in 250cc GP class he might well now have 9 or 10 World
    Championship trophies in his cabinet.

    Nev..
    '02 CBR1100XX #2
     
    Nev.., Sep 23, 2003
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  13. Manning

    andrew Guest

    I disagree. Valentino has proved time and time again that he is a superior
    Yep - the fact that Max invariably blames his second rate performance on
    inferior machinery is a dead givaway. A good tradesman never blames his
    tools etc........ Can't really be very good motivation for his mechanics
    either. I bet they hate his guts.

    Someone like Rossi's bike isn't technicaly perfect every race but
    natural ability makes up the difference.
     
    andrew, Sep 23, 2003
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  14. Manning

    Knobdoodle Guest

    I doubt that it's particularly "inferior" (and it's probably superior in many ways) but it's certainly not
    adjusted as well as the Honda is.
    After all; they've had two seasons with what, six rider-years(?) of full works experience (and another 4 of
    semi-works experience) versus just two for Ducati?
    (And the Dukes still generally beat more Hondas than beat them...)
    Clem
     
    Knobdoodle, Sep 24, 2003
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