Rossi Aero - Fuzzy 46

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by kyle.edmonds, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. kyle.edmonds

    kyle.edmonds Guest

    Ok, I'm sure everyone has noticed the change in Rossi's leathers this
    year. Not just the change in livery, but the "fuzzy" 46 on the back. I
    have noticed street and show bikes in the US that are completely
    "fuzzy" instead of a regular paint job. So I didn't think much of it.
    Maybe just something different.

    But after seeing the following image (linked) on Motogp.com I started
    thinking. What's the deal there? The 46 is gone, but there still
    appears to be some sort of "fuzzy" material on the hump of his back. I
    immediately thought about aerodynamics. I've read a few articles and
    columns about bike aero packages. (specifically the changes made from
    the RC211V to the RC212V) The area of stale air behind the rider seems
    to play a significant role in how "slippery" the aero package is, most
    notably at top speeds. With Rossi struggling for top speeds to catch
    the Ducati I wonder it this is some sort of turbulance generator that
    Yamaha is experimenting with.

    I have read about the "vortex generators" that Mitsubishi installed on
    some of their Lancer Evolution models in recent years and it seems
    that they actually make quite a significant difference in the overall
    aero package of the car. (helping to increase fuel milage as well as
    actually helping the rear wing create more down force?)

    I have had the thought of olympic swimmers and those hi-tech suits
    that many of them wear. Something like the dimples on the surface of a
    golf ball helping create a turbulant pocket of air around the ball. I
    had wondered why there hasn't been any sort of aero development work
    done with the riders' leathers. It seems like a textured surface on a
    rider's leathers could help in this same way. (especially Hayden!!)

    I know many of the frequent posters in this group are quite
    technically inclined and may have some knowledge about this topic that
    I'm not familiar with, or at least some good comments on this subject!

    I'm not sure when that photo was taken, but I'm interested to see what
    Rossi's leathers look like when they start FP1 at Donnington Park!
    There may be something to the "fuzzy" 46. Or maybe I'm just thinking
    WAY to hard about this! haha

    http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/567/567111_36108.jpg

    - Kyle
     
    kyle.edmonds, Jun 19, 2007
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    walter Guest

    i think you're onto something, but i think it's more accurately a
    "turbulator".

    somewhere in that region the airflow no longer follows the curvature
    of the rider/helmet. the airflow separates and becomes very
    turbulent, creating bubbles of air which dramatically increase drag.

    turbulators and vortex generators create very small swirls of highly
    energized airflow which encourage the airflow to follow the surface
    longer, delaying the onset of this turbulent air and minimizing the
    drag increase. the same theory applies to golf balls, the rapidly
    rotating dimples energize the airflow - a perfectly smooth golf ball
    doesnt fly nearly as far as a dimpled one.

    many aircraft have vortex generators these along the top-surface of
    the wing for the same reason, to forestall the onset of airflow
    separation (i.e., stalling or increasing the effectiveness of control
    surfaces).
     
    walter, Jun 20, 2007
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    Chris Paine Guest

    So the lucky rabbit's fur stuff was just a cover story ?

    Cheers,
     
    Chris Paine, Jun 20, 2007
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  4. kyle.edmonds

    kyle.edmonds Guest

    lucky rabbit's fur story? i had never heard any mention at all about
    that. is that what Rossi said? i think he's trying to hide some super
    alien technology from everyone under the mask of superstition! ;-)

    - Kyle
     
    kyle.edmonds, Jun 20, 2007
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    ziras Guest

    That cam on the back of Dani-no-smiles looks like a friggin dildo. ;

    Z
     
    ziras, Jun 20, 2007
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    Andrew Guest


    heh

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    Andrew
    00 Daytona
    00 Speed Triple
    71 Kawi H1
    05 Infant
     
    Andrew, Jun 20, 2007
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    sturd Guest

    Mark N whines:
    This has got to be a joke on your part Mark N. But just in case it's
    not,
    Spidi and Dainese are two entirely different companies. If you think
    Yamaha controls Rossi's leathers, beyond some badging, you're
    mistaken.

    Beyond that, I'd be mightily impressed if a patch there, of that size,
    has any effect on aerodynamics. It's *really* small in relation to
    total
    area and behind the helmet where flow has already probably separated.

    Probably.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
    and that hump
     
    sturd, Jun 20, 2007
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    aclutter Guest

    I used to do a bit of club racing on a supersport bike. I didn't have
    teh hump in my leathers. I used to know when someone was slipstreaming
    me close because the back of my leathers started to flap. Obviously
    turbulence was an issue.
     
    aclutter, Jun 21, 2007
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    sturd Guest

    T3 asks:
    My guess is he's just furred out, ala the Starboyz
    http://www.starboyz.com/pages/gallery/gallery.pl

    Something Vale might find funny.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, Jun 21, 2007
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    kyle.edmonds Guest

    OK, no change in Rossi's lucky rabbit's furr for the dry FP3 or QUAL
    sessions... I still can't figure out what the deal was with that
    square grey patch on his back during the Catalunya test. If we see it
    again in the next testing session then I'll really start to wonder
    about some aerodynamic experimentation. I know that something like
    that would not make much of a difference at all, but in F1 and MGP
    it's the small advances that add up to create monsterous machines! If
    they weren't concentrating on the small stuff I don't think a 2400cc
    V8 could make 700+HP, or a 800cc V4 / I4 could make 220+HP.

    - Kyle
     
    kyle.edmonds, Jun 23, 2007
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    sturd Guest

    speculates:

    Another pure specalution is that it's a patch of velcro. Slap - you
    put on the furry "rossi". Slap - you put on an el dottore 3/8
    high bas-relief model. Slap - you put on an entire Fiat punto.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, Jun 23, 2007
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