Rocket III

I can't wait until they put the lump in something like a full-dresser
transcontinental tourer. The sort of bike to give a Gold Wing a dose of
the cold sweats.

 

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:14:27 +0000,

When it's pissing its fuel all over the road, or going back to the
dealers for its eighteenth EMS re-map?

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Heh. I'd like to see the remains of the Micra that tried shunting a
Rocket Three.

 

Ooooh...they could squeeze another pot in and make it a three litre!

I was, of course, just referring to the actual number of cylinders, in case
you were seriarse.

Si

 

I just read a Yank review of it and at the end they said "coming to a dealer
near you soon for $15,990". That's a shade over £8500. Nice that we get to
pay £12,000 for it. Not that I'm surprised; just irritated at the
difference.

Si

 

Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot says...

Back in early 1998 a mate of mine flew to Chicago for a week, stayed in
a cheap hotel, travelled around sightseeing and visiting friends, bought
a Triumph Daytona T595 and shipped it back to the UK. He reckoned that
with paying for the whole trip and shipping back a bike built in this
country, paying VAT[1], doing a UK conversion on the headlamp etc, he
still managed to save well over 1000ukp over buying a new T595 over
here.

At the 1998 bike show he approached a Triumph manager and asked him how
this was possible. Matey could only reply with some thing along the
lines of "Market forces", or to put it another way "You'll pay that
because we can make you pay what we want, but US customers wouldn't".
Around that time Triumph were forced to reduce prices in line with the
big 4 Japanese manufacturers, who had been pushed into doing that after
suffering at the hands of parallel importers.

[1] No import duty payable on repatriating a vehicle made in the UK.

 

Lozzo wrote

15 years before I was talking to a merkin in a bar near Trafalgar Square
who did exactly the same thing but in reverse with 1960's MGB's

 

Now that I didn't know.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

And "pricing for the market" is nothing new. Look at it another way - a
financially healthy Triumph is a good thing. If their bikes are too
expensive for you - stop whining and buy something cheaper.

 

Maybe some enterprising soul may start transatlantic parallel imports. If
it took off (big if) it may have a similar effect to the jap parallel
imports of the 90s?
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Where does Sir think Canadian imports come from?

 

Uganda?
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, "Mungo \"two

As it happens, I was standing in my local SOBB dealers this afternoon,
admiring a Mk 1 1970's BSA Rocket III with the owner.

After due consideration of the (standard) silencer[1], we agreed that
both Gerry Anderson and industrial-strength acid must have had a huge
influence on its design.

[1] http://riviere67.free.fr/Routieres/TRI_BSA/BSA-Rocket3-1969.jpg

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<small voice>

I rather like that.

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The Older Gentleman says...

I think it's disgusting. It's no small wonder that the Japs got a firm
foothold in the market when they released stuff like the CB750 around
the same time.

That has looks to match exactly what it was - hideously outdated before
it was unleashed on the public.

 

Lozzo wrote:

[1969 BSA Rocket 3]

I don't agree: it was a good attempt at a response to the CB750.

Compare and contrast:
http://www.2tausend1.de/motors/normal/Honda-CB750-1969.jpg
http://www.2tausend1.de/motors/normal/BSA-Rocket3-1969.jpg

The looks weren't outdated, for the day; the technology was, the customer
service poor and they were too expensive.

This is, probably, the only time the knee jerk BritShit response isn't
warranted. Too little, too late though.

 

Eh? It's the markup profit you're complaining about!

 

Simian barfed:

I've never agreed with this "charge the max the market will take" model.

Doing the figures the UK model is selling at £10212, the US at £8005.

Obviously at £8005, and Triumph wanting to sell a lot of them to the US
market they aren't going to be selling them at a loss, so there's
nothing stopping them selling them for the same price (ex vat) over
here. Cheaper prices will mean more sales == more profit. Its not as if
they're selling them for 1/2 the price so people will think they're
cheap tat is it?

And if it was a communits workers paradise they'd be bartering them
away, money wouldn't come into it !

 

You don't HAVE to agree with it, you simply have to choose whether
you're personally willing to pay the price requested by the vendor for
that particular vehicle. If you're not willing to pay the price then you
don't buy it.

The price chosen by the vendor should maximise their profit, and should
be as close to the max willingness to pay as the vendor can make it for
the majority of the market.

Max willingness will vary between markets, hence where there are natural
barriers you segment and charge different prices.

That's how businesses stay in business...

JL

 

John Bloor: Hold it lads we've got someone who doesn't agree with
our pricing strategy.

Lads: Bugger, we've been rumbled.

No they wouldn't and yes it would.

I'd suggest a simple grasp of economics may be handy when discussing
cases like these.