Road Pricing

Ginge or not, this may as well be posted again.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

 

In

"BETA TEST
The e-petitions system launched in November 2006. It is currently in a
public "beta test". This means that users are welcome to sign and create
petitions, but we will be making changes to the site, as we fix technical
problems, improve usability and respond to feedback.
"

or ..."if we don't care for a particular petition we'll remove it or bork it
up in some way?"

 

IKWYM, but I think it's had too much publicity for it to just vanish now.

Mind you, ISTR two million people actually marched on London to tell this
lot not to go to war, and that did **** all...

 

I belatedly went to the site last night to sign up. They give you a message
to say they have sent you an email with a link you have to click to validate
your response. The email never arrived - in my main email account or the
spam trap. Tried again today - same result. So my signature has not been
recorded. I wonder how many others gave up at two attempts and are
"missing"?

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2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
2005 XT660R

Take out the obvious to email me.

 

In

Same here .. no mail, suspicously appears to be more new labour media
rhetoric.

 

Steve Parry () gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Your ISP got any kind of spamfiltering on your mail? SWMBO signed up last
night - email received in less than the time it took to switch from browser
to web client and check for new mail.

 

Firstly I doubt the infrastructure is either in place or stable enough
to track every vehicle in the UK & secondly if they do manage to
implement this I'm sure before day one they'll be a simple device to
block the fucking thing available to anyone prepared to pay for it.
Scare mongering shite if you ask me.

 

In

Just checked the spam box and all that's on there is the usual offers of
viagra, loans and offers to get rich quick

 

Because it's an economic restriction on freedom of movement.

 

Exactly and given the publicity I suspect people are signing up to say
they're on the petition rather than having a view on the subject one way
or the other.

Precisely. People who believe we can carry on without a pricing
mechanism for direct use of roadspace are living in cloud cuckoo land.
There are many, many issues to be resolved in making it work properly
and also being able to sell it in political terms but it will become
operational at some point. A hysterical Daily Mail inspired [1] loony
petition will make no difference whatsoever.

[1] I have no idea if the Daily Mail are involved but it smacks of their
sort of pseudo libertarian nonsense.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

How so? If there's no log of your travels, how can you dispute a bill?
Or will it be done in the same way as NIPs and SORNs are handled; you
would have to prove that you hadn't undertaken a specific journey?

How long before any vehicle identification technology is spoofed? How
long before a government accepts that it has been spoofed?

And once they can log your travels, how long before the "sensible and
modest" safety proposal that speeding motorists should be prosecutable
from those logs?

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In

*DING*

 

Yeah, checked ISP spam trap both times. Nada. Nowt.

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Rich
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2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
2005 XT660R

Take out the obvious to email me.

 

I think my main objection, which applies to so many of these invasive
government schemes (rubbish weighing, etc) is that it's set up to
penalise through tax, rather than offer an economic carrot as an
alternative.

It's all take, take, take rather than actually encouraging people to use
an alternative. And thus is just another tax.

For myself, I'd love to see someone do my commute (SW London -->
Tunbridge Wells) on a daily basis by public transport.

 

I used to do Tonbridge -> NW London every day by public transport. Long
journey, but do-able. Hastings -> Maidenhead I could only really do by
car, and even that took an age.

But people do fucking silly commutes - there's no way you can expect a
public transport infrastructure to provide for people who choose to do
ridiculous commutes. The right thing to do would be to improve the
service for those who choose to commute from A to B - those who choose
to commute from A to Z, like you, should perhaps think about
living/staying closer to work, or working closer to home. What happened
to the telecommuting revolution, eh?

 

TBF I suppose making everyone get to work by public transport would
force most companies to re-locate out of the SW to places where local
houses are affordable.

 

How are you finding Leeds?

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ginge

End of the M1, you can't miss it.

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Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha Vmax Honda ST1100 wiv trailer

 

you can with those directions, they'll send you straight to the A1.

 

Of England yes it would be SE I guess. I was thinking more of the M25
enclosure, towards the Heathrow end. People gleefully commute in from
Brum, Oxford, Bath, Brizzle etc.