Riding the front / rear wheel.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Ballistic, Jun 16, 2006.

  1. Ballistic

    Ballistic Guest

    Whilst getting used to the new bike I've noticed that I'm riding the
    front wheel much more than before. This seems to be because the riding
    position is further forward than previous bikes.

    On old R1's and the Caponord I would put more weight over the rear
    wheel at most times but now I'm 'front heavy' into bends. Even my old
    GSXR750 seemed fairly neutral.

    What's the FOAK's view on weight over wheels?

    --
    Ash

    UKRMFBC#8 BOTAFOT#82 BOTAFOF#41 HMC#5 FTB#0
    YZF-R1 2006 "Roger"
    http://www.theredline.co.uk
    "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast
    enough." -- Mario Andretti
     
    Ballistic, Jun 16, 2006
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    WavyDavy Guest

    CSS teach you to load up the rear round bends and *not* load the front to
    avoid front-end wash-outs.

    It all depends on whether what you think is loading up the front end matches
    what someone else might think.

    It also depends on your interpretation of going 'into bends'.

    It's bound to load up the front braking before you go in, but you should, by
    conventional roadrace teaching standards, be starting to load the rear and
    gradually increasing drive once you are in the bend. As they say over and
    over again (and I think they nicked it from Kenny Roberts senior) "I've
    never seen someone lose the front on the throttle, but seen it plenty of
    times when they're on the brakes" or words to that effect.

    What's the bike? And are you sitting right up against the tank? I found
    that my bike control changed massively just by making sure I kept a space
    between me bits and the tank that you could fit a packet of fags in (top to
    bottom).

    Dave
     
    WavyDavy, Jun 16, 2006
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    Eiron Guest

    Some dodgy physics there. Think of the kinetic energy.
    You need more throttle because rolling a deformable rubber tyre on its side
    is not the most efficient way of turning your forward momentum sideways.
     
    Eiron, Jun 16, 2006
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  4. Ballistic

    Eiron Guest

    Force perpendicular to velocity does not equal power.
    How does a satellite orbit at a constant(ish) speed without a big engine?
     
    Eiron, Jun 16, 2006
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  5. Long bit of string, innit?
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 16, 2006
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  6. Ballistic

    Shep© Guest

    If you brake before you think you have to you will live :D
     
    Shep©, Jun 17, 2006
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  7. Ballistic

    Eiron Guest

    But no work required, or the system would slow down. It's not rocket science!
    Perhaps you would like to consider what happens to a spinning wheel in a vacuum
    with frictionless bearings, and move on to the closest analogy that springs to mind,
    a ball spinning in a roulette wheel. It is friction alone that slows the ball.
    Try putting some numbers into your theory and see that it doesn't match observed
    reality.
     
    Eiron, Jun 17, 2006
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  8. Verdigris wrote
    No it don't. At least not under the effects of gravity it don't. It is
    cosmic wind and extremely thin atmosphere what causes the slowing down,
    innit? If you had the mind and a fair bit in resources to put your so
    called "system" into an isolation universe and observe it it's gross
    scientific term for speed would stay the same, conservation of energy
    innit?

    Negligible in the puny time spans you mere mortals think in maybe but
    some of us can see the broader picture.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 17, 2006
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  9. Simon Gates wrote
    Go out as well as in.

    Guffer?
     
    steve auvache, Jun 17, 2006
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  10. In uk.rec.motorcycles, steve auvache belched forth and ejected the
    following:
    At first I thought he meant duffer. Then I thought he could've meant
    someone that smokes a lot. Then curiosity got the better of me and I
    went to see if the word existed on urban dictionary.com

    It does.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=guffer

    <VBG>
     
    Whinging Courier, Jun 17, 2006
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  11. Whinging Courier wrote
    Indeed.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 17, 2006
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