Riding in High Winds

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by David Thomas, Feb 8, 2004.

  1. David Thomas

    David Thomas Guest

    I was supposed to be taking the bike out this morning to meet up with
    someone (100 miles round trip mainly open countryside) but being a newbie
    with no experience of riding in this weather I wimped out.

    Looked out of the window at am, it was gusting at about 60mph (approx, I'm
    not Michael Fish) and the weather report said maybe some snow showers...
    well there were some ominous looking clouds about but it didn't happen.

    So my question to the more experienced riders here (that's about everyone)
    was it a good call to give it a miss or does that qualify me as a wuss?

    Having never ridden in high winds I would appreciate some advice so I know
    what to do next time.

    Ta, David
     
    David Thomas, Feb 8, 2004
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  2. David Thomas

    wessie Guest

    Relax. Especially your grip on the bars. Arms need to be slightly bent so
    they act like shock absorbers when your body gets caught by a gust. If your
    arms are rigid then you will apply forces to the bars and/or open/close the
    throttle.

    Speed up - you get knocked around more at lower speeds IME.

    Countersteer in crosswinds.

    The GS is much more stable in windy weather if I take the top box off.
     
    wessie, Feb 8, 2004
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  3. David Thomas

    Ferger Guest

    David Thomas secured a place in history by writing:
    Probably, but we've all had the same concern at some time when we first
    started riding.

    It depends to an extent on the bike - a fully faired behemoth will get
    affected a lot more than a naked bike. But crosswinds are not really a
    problem as long as you stay relaxed and countersteer to counteract them.
    On wet roads this can begin to steal some traction and can be more
    problematic, but in the dry it's not really a problem.

    If you're newbie enough to be not entirely happy with the concept of
    countersteering, get your head round that first.
     
    Ferger, Feb 8, 2004
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  4. David Thomas

    jsp Guest

    tut tut. How will you learn?
    No. Yes.
    Get out and ride the bike.

    I went out for about an hour this morning and it was indeed very windy
    in places and steps had to be taken to avoid being blown accross the
    road. All that actiually entails, though, is countersteering into the
    wind. Sort of like trying to take a corner to stay in a straight line.

    The worse thing was the amount of road salt still around. Some of the
    roads were almost pure white!

    --
    John

    SV650
    Black it is
    and naked
     
    jsp, Feb 8, 2004
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  5. David Thomas

    Catman Guest

    I think that at the emd of the day, if you don't feel comfortable riding in
    any given weather, then it's a good call not to ride in it. If anyone else
    thinks you're a wuss, who gives a ****?

    FWIW I decided to take the car today for a number of reasons, but the wind
    was definitley a factor.
    Relax your upper body and arms, or you will act as a sail and transmit
    more force to the bars and thus the bike. You may want to grip the tank a
    bit more firmly with your knees.

    Be particularly aware when passing high sided vehicles. Odd things can
    happen to wind flow around them.

    Your confidence will increase as you ride more. Just don't ride beyond
    what you are happy doing, or you'll die.
    NP
    --
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    Catman, Feb 8, 2004
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  6. David Thomas

    MrT Guest

    I went from Milton Keynes to a little village by Bradford On Avon last
    Saturday afternoon on the Bandit. The combination of driving rain, spray and
    75mph winds (there were plenty of fence panels and objects of garden
    furniture flying around!) saw me down to as little as 30mph on the M4 (and I
    was still the fastest vehicle!), and only about 45-50mph on the A420. To say
    that I pood myself for the entire journey would be an understatement. I'm
    what you'd call a 'born again biker', and a 19st fat git on a Bandit 6
    (jacked up) in strong winds is an unnerving combination.
    Still, I didn't see and other mad/brave/foolish bikers for the entire
    journey!
    Dale
     
    MrT, Feb 8, 2004
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  7. David Thomas

    David Thomas Guest

    Well I went out in the end and gave it a go, bit scarry at first but soon
    got used to it but had to keep the speed down a bit... probably due to lack
    of confidence.... oh alright I was scared ok!

    Thanks for the advice all, D
     
    David Thomas, Feb 8, 2004
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  8. No more experience that you I believe (we passed at about the same
    time), but I don't find the wind makes that much difference when your
    moving along once you learn to relax.

    First time I went in 'high' wind, I found myself gripping on for dear
    life, and that actually made it much harder to ride, latterly, while I
    still feel the odd gust, I don't find it actually alters my course.

    That said, when stationary at traffic lights, the gusts DO try to push
    me over (then again given my size, I do make a formidable target for
    the wind to catch!)
     
    David Thompson, Feb 8, 2004
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  9. Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote
    Pseudo scientific bollox innit. You have got the right idea though but
    for all the wrong reasons. It is more like shifting your CG over a bit
    into the lean, rather like what you do going round a bend. Which is how
    I treat a strong side wind.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 8, 2004
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  10. David Thomas

    Nidge Guest

    David Thomas wrote

    snip

    Nah(ish) that's the right response to high winds anyway.

    Your general wussness and lack of confidence might mean your speed for any
    given set of conditions is only 50% that of the most experienced and fastest
    riders - but even the most lunatic alter their speed according to the
    conditions (well, the ones that don't aren't around to post for long).
    Still, I *am* concerned your wussness might be slipping a bit ~ afterall you
    went out and had a go at it.

    On a comparatively practical note, some specific hazard things have been
    pointed out and laughed at but the general rule about riding with your head
    to go faster safer is more applicable the shiter conditions are - You will
    react sooner and with least risk to being slammed by a sudden side-wind if
    you anticipate it. So figure that coming out from behind shelter like a
    high wall or a cutting or going over a hill might mean the wind is going to
    give you a fkn big shove ...... Then when it does you ......... well there's
    a few ways of doing it but like SA said they're about moving your centre of
    gravity to the windward side or more simply chucking your weight at it as a
    counter balance. This can have a massive effect on reducing how far you're
    shoved off line.

    Another dead obvious one is tuck in behind the tank more - you'll know when
    you've got that bit right cos you'll feel it.

    And the final dead obvious one is not forgetting you might suddenly find a
    fck-off great big lump of tree or something blown in the road so anticipate
    that too. Even a fairly small piece of branch can play fk with the handling
    if you ride over it.

    --
    Nidge
    ZX6R J2 Stunning in zit yellow. KX 125 MX 'I'm snot green -FLY ME'. A few
    bits of CB500S in Norwegian Parrot blue. BOTAFOT#63

    'Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand'.
    Homer (Simpson).
     
    Nidge, Feb 8, 2004
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  11. To quote a poster on the wall of the place I was learning to fly, "It's
    better to be down here wishing you were up there, than it is to be up
    there wishing you were down here." It's trite, but it is true.
     
    Justine Rogers, Feb 8, 2004
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  12. David Thomas

    Catman Guest

    Well, yes
    Well, yes again. Round here though it was gusting rather un-predictably....
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    Catman, Feb 8, 2004
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  13. Rope wrote
    I hit a cat last year with the VT. Hardly noticed it. It surprised me
    how little effect it had. I'd do it again.
     
    steve auvache, Feb 8, 2004
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  14. David Thomas

    Muck Guest

    Maybe you should get some little black cat stckers with red crosses
    through them?
     
    Muck, Feb 8, 2004
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  15. David Thomas

    David Thomas Guest

    That reminds me, I hit a cat going flat out (the bike not the cat) on a
    DT175 when I were a lad, the moggy exploded on the razor sharp front number
    plate and I arrive home looking like I had been pelted with a bucket of
    liver.... had to hose myself off in the garden.

    See I do have a history with bike after all, not a good one, but a history
    ;-)

    D
     
    David Thomas, Feb 8, 2004
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  16. David Thomas

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, David Thomas
    Front number plate on a DT175?

    You made that up, didn't you?
     
    Nigel Eaton, Feb 8, 2004
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  17. David Thomas

    Mark Olson Guest

    The DT175 was first sold in 1974 if I google correctly.

    1975. Requirement for motorcycles to carry a front number
    plate abolished.
     
    Mark Olson, Feb 8, 2004
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  18. David Thomas

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Mark Olson
    Blimey. I stand (and/or sit) corrected.

    And I apologise to the incredibly aged David.
     
    Nigel Eaton, Feb 8, 2004
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  19. Passing HGVs in wind, I tend to pre-emptivley dive towards the bow-shock as
    I come up to the front of them. Soon get the hang, and it's better than
    being a victim.
     
    pseudoplatypus, Feb 9, 2004
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  20. David Thomas

    David Thomas Guest

    No don't apologise, you may have a point, I didn't get my DT175 till 1977 so
    this cat malarky may have been on my Puch VZ50.

    D
     
    David Thomas, Feb 9, 2004
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