RFID embedded number plates

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by tallbloke, Jun 10, 2005.

  1. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    http://www.e-plate.com/

    Combined with ANPR and the cumpulsory blackbox GPS floated last week, it'll
    provide a handy cross reference for the TrafPol to check whether your GPS has
    been disbled/tampered with. Prediction: The e-plate will become an MOT
    requirement within 6 years.

    Big Brother is definitely out to watch you...
     
    tallbloke, Jun 10, 2005
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  2. This question may well expose or confirm me as an electronic numpty, but:

    What is the prospect of these various Big Brother adornments being fried or
    neutralised - accidentally, of course; never deliberately - by a focused
    pulse of intense radio energy? Presumably the fact that they are on
    transmit, not receive, makes that difficult. Still, I have in mind a sort
    of Fred Faraday's Drive-Through Chip Fryer, where your RFID and what-not
    could be zapped. "I have no idea how that could have happened, officer, but
    I did drive past GCHQ the other day. Perhaps that explains it." Enough
    determined civil disobedience could consign the chips to the swing-bin of
    history.
     
    Véritable Rosbif, Jun 10, 2005
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  3. tallbloke

    Dan White Guest

    It won't work. At some point they'll find a way to "prove" that terrorists
    could be stopped by it, and the 90% of the fucking sheep in this country
    will just stand by and let it happen.
     
    Dan White, Jun 10, 2005
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  4. tallbloke

    Pip Guest

    The reason that it has become much harder to obtain a legal plate by
    legal means recently is the presence of an embedded chip - so my local
    friendly plate retailer informed me. The plate making machines are
    owned by one of three firms, I believe, which lease the machines to
    retailers. The owners of the machines are licensed by DVLA, who
    invigilate them.

    Therefore the machine owners invigilate the retailers - every plate
    has a unique ID assigned to it and is recorded within the machine.
    All paperwork produced in order to obtain a plate is copied and must
    be held by the retailer pending a visit from an inspector, who will
    expect to be able to justify every plate issued with the supporting
    paperwork.
    He's already watching, Rog.
     
    Pip, Jun 10, 2005
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  5. Well, IF the Tories elect David Davies as their leader - who seems a deeply
    underwhelming character to me, but is passionately anti ID-cards so by
    definition must be a good bloke - there are enough antis on the Bliarite
    back-benches to combine with the Tories and the [already anti] LibDems to
    dump the idea. Common-sense and liberalism might just make a comeback, and
    head off some of the more authoritarian schemes being dreamed up. The
    terrorist threat business is now widely discredited and derided. I agree
    with you about the sheep, but like to believe that even the sheep are sick
    and tired of the creeping social control.
     
    Véritable Rosbif, Jun 10, 2005
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  6. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    http://www.hillsnumberplates.com/dvla_cons.html

    Electronic tagging of number plates offers possibility of making a limited
    improvement in advance of a full system of electronic vehicle
    identification system (EVI) and DVLA concluded that, “it is evident that
    technological solutions exist, and could be put into operation in the not
    too distant future”. As part of the Hiltek plate development we have
    developed e-plate, which is, a fully compliant number plates containing an
    active RFID tag and it is available for demonstration and installation
    now.
    Aye, and he's rapidly developing the eye of Sauron to do it more
    effectively. The public will be allowed to 'win' and yellow roadside
    Gatso's will disappear - to be replaced by the
    GPS-RFID-ANPR-AutoSummons...
     
    tallbloke, Jun 10, 2005
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  7. Véritable Rosbif wrote
    Extremely good but it would need to be either *very* focussed or *very*
    intense.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 10, 2005
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  8. Have I been whooshed?

    I've recently had a car plate made up and it looked chipless to me. I
    watched them make it up (Halfrauds) and the spotty yoof just shoved the
    numbers onto it and pushed it through a roller, all looked very Heath
    Robinson, certainly not any kind of machine that would be leased?

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    mike. buckley, Jun 10, 2005
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  9. Véritable Rosbif wrote
    I doubt you are right. The various Nationalists and other Independents
    might bugger up your sums.

    I doubt you are right. The various Nationalists and other Independents
    might bugger up your sums.

    Only by those who feel it is being misused and they are hardly even a
    significant minority let alone in a position to do anything about it
    apart from keep crying "foul."

    I don't think the sheep understand enough for that to be the case.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 10, 2005
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  10. .... thus frying the rest of the vehicle's electronics. Ah. Time to call on
    our old friend Mr Grey-Area, to find a way of dealing with Big Brother
    without causing the Mother and Father of a mess of the ignition, or being
    identifiably and criminally Luddite.
     
    Véritable Rosbif, Jun 10, 2005
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  11. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    The chip and a ten year battery are hidden inside the plate. It looks
    completely normal, but it's chucking out a signal saying:

    "Hi, I'm HIL78326182764"

    Which the roadside reader picks up and broadcasts back to base where the
    computer cross references it in the database and comes up with:

    "HIL78326182764 is assigned to vehicle registration mark GOT 1M"
     
    tallbloke, Jun 10, 2005
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  12. I suspect you are right.
    I suspect you are right
    I suspect you are right.
    I suspect you are right.

    S'a bugger, innit!
     
    Véritable Rosbif, Jun 10, 2005
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  13. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    They are looking at ways of causing the RFID tag to be disabled if the
    plates are removed from the vehicle. It's easy to fry an rfid chip, just
    remove the front door off a microwave oven, jam the safety interlock shut
    and turn it on next to the numberplate. Might be an idea to wrap lead foil
    round your ecu first though :)

    It won't help though, because they've thought of this, and if you are
    clocked passing a roadside sensor without emitting a legit rfid signal
    ANPR will have your plate number and there'll be a knock at the door
    later. Plus any dodgy false plates will immediately be circulated to all
    TrafPol cars and their onboard ANPR will bleep an alert when it spots the
    vehicle. If someone makes forgeries of your plate, you'll need your GPS
    logs to put you in the clear...
     
    tallbloke, Jun 10, 2005
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  14. Véritable Rosbif wrote
    Innit eh?

    The trick, as ever, appears to be to get unreasoned kneejerk reaction to
    see your somewhat more moderate and sensible view. There may be lessons
    to be learnt from the merkins on this one as it goes.

    They are just about to see the light and join the rest of us in saving
    the planet from gaseous greenhouses, the tricks that work on persuading
    them against the express wishes of their lords and masters should be
    noted for future reference.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 10, 2005
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  15. tallbloke

    Ace Guest

    <snip>

    Do you somehow think this lot ^^^ is funny? I've never understood why
    people bother with this sort of crap.

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    Ace, Jun 10, 2005
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  16. tallbloke

    frag Guest

    tallbloke scribbled:
    Well the solutions obvious then. Remove number plate, re-attach. Dead
    rfid chip.
    Snap half the plate off. False plate.

    The police will prolly have mobile rfid readers and stop any vehicle
    that it doesn't pick up on though.

    Anyway, can you imagine how long it'll take to retro fit new number
    plates to all the vehicles in the UK?

    Just how many businesses will move to be closer to cheap(er) workforces?
    And how many will be forced to increase salaries to attract/keep
    employees?

    God, Blur & Co are thick.
     
    frag, Jun 10, 2005
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  17. frag wrote
    12 months.

    You do it at tax renewal time, no new style plate receipt, no tax.
    Simple as that.

    God might be but the rest ain't and you fucking forget it.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 10, 2005
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  18. steve auvache wrote
    ^
    don't


    Oops.
     
    steve auvache, Jun 10, 2005
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  19. tallbloke

    Ben Blaney Guest

    I do not.
    Nor me. I prefer minimal attributions.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 10, 2005
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  20. tallbloke

    Spike Guest

    Err, when did this get introduced then? I had a plate made up recently at
    the local dealers (other one had fallen off... oops! Helpfully pointed out
    by Mr Copper)and it was knocked up in like 10 minutes, and cost the grand
    total of a tenner...

    Cant really see how it can have something inside it when its a clear piece
    of acrylic with numbers and stuff stuck onto the back.. surely you could see
    said battery?... unless its microscopic!
     
    Spike, Jun 10, 2005
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