A 600 bandit will cane the RS125 in every aspect!
What about capital costs in bike /car? Get a free one, did we sir? No insewerants to pay either, heh? ' Course it's also probably quicker by bike and more fun.
To summarize Steve's and Andrewr's points, not all cars are designed the same. Most common or garden motors are running at their most efficient at or about 55MPF. My car's most efficient speed is 53mph. The engines are _designed_ that way coz it's a national speed limit in most countries. It is a compromise, lots of engineering decisions are. What about cars with LPG? It's more economical to use LPG at lower speeds in urban areas and then switch over to petrol at higher speeds on the open roads.
Nice reasoning, but sadly plain wrong. I've experimented with at least three cars with instantaneous mpg readouts, a Jag XJS (6-cyl 3.6l, 250bhp), the Volvo V70 XC (5-cyl 2.4 turbo, 200bhp) and the Peugeot 206cc (4-cyl 2 litre, 140bhp). In all of these, the most economical speed was somewhat below 30mph. Bearing in mind that these all represent higher than average performance, it's likely that _most_ cars' best speed would be the same or lower, don't you think?
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Peak torque figures. On many car lumps >1600cc, you'd be on the upper part of the torque curve at anything above 2500rpm. Gearing, aerodynamics and driver skill all play a large part in it. Multi-valve engines and turbos, in achieving better cylinder filling than used to be the case, have flattened the torque curve significantly, the peak torque on many standard lumps used to be around 4000rpm. With a gentle foot, overdrive or 5 speed box, bimbling along at 3000 rpm with a lazy big engine and a road speed of 70mph, you tend to get the best of the economy/speed compromise if in a reasonably slippery bodyshell, of course. That's the other factor in the Yankee thinking - given that most of the YankTanks at the time had the aerodynamics of a brick shithouse, if they could be kept below 60mph there would be a significant national saving of fuel. -- Dave GS 850 x2 / SE 6a SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3 FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
Andrewr At Work wrote Presumably he was applying the same rules to you as can be applied to me although in my case it is usually a pointless exercise.
Opposite. Modern sports bike cost more to run for any given commute than a small car. Believe me, I know.
If you want to learn to ride fast, learn on something that isn't powerful. Then ride it like a fucking moped.
steve auvache made the world a better place for us by saying.. uninteresting fact #173b Vauxhall and Ford, amongst others were well known for engineering huge great lean mixtures in things like Cavaliers and Orion injections at exactly 56 and 75 mph in 5th gear.. Hence a 2.0 GLi Mk3 Cav has official fuel consumption of about 50 mpg at 56, and 40 something at 75.. the fact there's a huge great flatspot the size of Africa in the middle of the rev range is... irrelevant. -- Pete M. Golf Gti (For Sale) Alfa Romeo 164 TS. Wahey, I'm a proper petrolhead again!" Liverpool, Great Britain. "you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead"
Ace made the world a better place for us by saying.. I waft about in a big V8 engined BMW rather often, and it's best speed for fuel economy is somewhere around 85 mph.. -- Pete M. Golf Gti (For Sale) Alfa Romeo 164 TS. Wahey, I'm a proper petrolhead again!" Liverpool, Great Britain. "you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead"
M-Way - 29mpg at 84mph held steady on the Cruise, excellent IMHO. Then again 19mpg general urban use.
why are people surprised by this? At the other end of the scale though things are different - take my CD200[1] for example - cost 200 quid + ~50 quid to get running again (battery, sparkplugs, 5l of oil, new inner tube for back wheel, couple of pints of beer); insurance: 4 quid on my multibike policy (no, really), seems to do in excess of 90mpg... [1] please!
the Jeep's best speed for fuel economy is about 82mph[1], although it's a straight 6. [1] it'll do about 26mpg at this speed[2] [2] compared to around 17mpg around town.
I managed 65 mpg [1] with the Guzzi when touring Normandy with a mate on an Aprilla 500 single [2]. [1] I had to redo the arithmetic a few times as that is *unfuckingbelievable* I normally get 35-45 mpg, sometimes less. [2] I think his mpg figures were shot to bits.
Likewise. Self-delusional bollocks, based on _avergae_ consumption on a trip, but almost certainly not true even then.
