Repairing 1976 Honda 400/four

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by niknaim33, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. niknaim33

    niknaim33 Guest

    My intention is to sell the bike after I get it taxed and tested. 10
    years without use, and it started first time and revs fine. Some
    general advice and specifically on curing top end rattle (I'm certain
    it's the chain rattling around below 1500rpm, it's awful!), would be
    very much appreciated. I've done the remedies of screwdriver down the
    tunnel and pushing and pulling the U shaped widget, to no avail. How
    much dimantling will it need? Can't remember the chain making that
    much noise before. All the chrome is starting to show rust and the
    front caliper has leaked fluid which has decomposed the brake pads.
    Worth bothering with?
    Regards
    Nik
     
    niknaim33, Feb 8, 2007
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    Ace Guest

    C&P from a TOG post of a while back.

    HTH
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    Ace, Feb 8, 2007
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  3. Well, Ace has posted my fix. Sometimes it sticks really bad - a tap on
    the end of the screwdriver with a hammer may be needed.

    Odd that the screwdriver trick didn't sort it though - you did remember
    to undo the locknut, didn't you?

    A replacement chain isn't too hard to fit, if you use a soft link. You
    can do it in the frame. And stick a new blade in while you're there.

    Even a manky but running 400F will make a few hundred quid. Depends if
    it's got original paint or not.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 8, 2007
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  4. niknaim33

    niknaim33 Guest

    Thanks for the advice. I'd love to restore it but it's too small for
    two up riding, but then neither is the GSX600F.
    Nik
     
    niknaim33, Feb 8, 2007
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  5. niknaim33

    niknaim33 Guest

    Thanks
    Nik
     
    niknaim33, Feb 9, 2007
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  6. That's the next likely scenario, yes. even the extra meat on a brand new
    slipper blade is enough to make a difference

    What usually happens with 400 Fours is that the tensioner sticks, the
    chain starts to rattle, and people ignore it. The chain soon flails
    itself into oblivion, though it never actually breaks.

    If the chain is kept correctly tensioned (one way or another), then it
    can last a helluva long time, like 60,000 miles.

    There's one last way of sorting it. It's how I did mine.

    Look at the picture here:

    http://www.classicbikeforum.com/attachment.php?id=453

    Right, B shows the tensioner rod resting on the lug on the horseshoe. It
    pushes on the horseshoe, which is pivoted (see small inset pic) and the
    other end of the horseshoe pushes the blade against the chain.

    If you remove the sump. and the bolt and locknut securing the tensioner,
    you can get a broad-bladed screwdriver onto the bottom of that lug. Push
    it up. The push down the tensioner rod with another screwdriver. repeat
    until it frees.

    (Actually I did a push-pull method, using the broad-bladed screwdriver
    and a hook made from a bent coat-hanger, but the theory is the same). If
    the horseshoe won't come down any more, not at all, then all the
    adjustment of the chain is indeed used up.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 10, 2007
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  7. Ah. OK, so register.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 10, 2007
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  8. Yes, I'm aware of that now. I was going just to grab it and put it on my
    own space, but it's someone else's diagram and pic, off someone else's
    forum. Still, it's well worth registering just to check it, if you're
    faffing with 400 Four tensioners.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 10, 2007
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  9. niknaim33

    niknaim33 Guest

    Grateful for such a thorough explanation, and I feel happier to get
    stuck in now as your photograph shows exactly what is required.
    Thanks
    Nik
     
    niknaim33, Feb 12, 2007
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  10. I should have added - to access the horseshoe and push/pull on it, you
    need to remove the sump. It's actually easier if you take off the fuel
    tank, remove the battery and anything sticky-out, and lay the bike on
    its side.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 12, 2007
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    platypus Guest

    Y'know, I might be interested in this one, for Project Binliner...

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    platypus

    "Merely corroborative detail, intended to
    give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise
    bald and unconvincing narrative."
     
    platypus, Feb 12, 2007
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