[QUOTE] envy?[/QUOTE] What's to envy ? [QUOTE] my house is bought and paid for. I have my son in college, which I am paying for.[/QUOTE] And you'd be different to any other citizen in a developed country how exactly ? Were you under the impression they only have houses and universities in the US ? [QUOTE] I am a typical blue collar worker. I live within my means.[/QUOTE] Good for you, shame most of your compatriots don't. What's the US national debt again ? 3 *TRILLION* dollars I think ? [QUOTE] Most people who hate the USA have never been here[/QUOTE] It's interesting how you blindly extrapolate "wouldn't want to live there" to "hating the USA" big assumption there m'lad. Been there a couple of dozen times at least (without pulling my passport out and counting). I don't hate the US. Wouldn't live there in a million years though (despite several job offers that included a visa). [QUOTE] and would die trying to stay once here. Sorry you feel that way. I don't agree with what my government does all the time but believe it is the best place in the world to live , free.[/QUOTE] I'll bet you can count on one hand the countries you've been to outside the US, and they're probably Mexico, Canada and a couple of Caribbean countries who are all but part of the US anyway. Right ? Sorry, but contrary to the self satisfied American smugness, the whole world DOESNT want to live there. Who would want to live in a country chock full of bible hugging gun carrying rednecks ? The two parts of your country that most Americans disavow as not being "the real America" are the only two parts of the country worth a bent dime (NYC and California) [QUOTE] Don't forget you displaced your aboriginal tribes when you arrived down there.[/QUOTE] Yeah so did you, and.. ? JL (Atec is that you ?)