Re: Harley Davidson Dyna ride height

I envy you that opportunity, but IoM is paved all around isn't it?? If so its
irregularities cannot compare to those found in dirt trail riding and desert
racing. I've done both. Have you?

 

Straw man. At that time educated people believed wholeheartedly in 'the
devil and all his angels'. Just look at Newton. Or Galileo.

Phil

 

Send them on! I was mistaken! Apparently other Suzi's did inject oil into the
crank from which it fed the rod and lower end bearings. I didn't know that and
because of my ignorance passed up several opportunities to own them. Will you
consider my self-deprivation adequate punishment??

 

Ahh, but I have actually weighed a TZ. I have no idea what Yamaha advertises
them to weigh. In fact, I've never seen them advertise one for sale.

 

No, that's fine, sir.

 

Similar classes? Jeeze, I'm asking you to compare 250GP race times to 600cc
Stuperbike times for the same tracks. You're a fan. Look them up.

GP bikes don't require the extensive mods production bikes need to safely ride
them at speed. Those mods are why Stuperbike fans are much like NASCAR fans.
They love to watch bikes "just like theirs" out there racing.

You said you had ridden both a TZ-250 and a 600 and found them the same.

And I correctly noted that this lack (to you) of apparent handling advantage was
due to your ineptitude and inexperience. How many corners did you drift the
tires in whilst comparing these bikes?? Can you drift (slide) tires? I could
and did regularly on my RZ-350 but I'd not try it on any of the UJM stuperbikes
I've owned or ridden, including my wife's 03 ZX-600R, the light fast one. I
tried it several times on my old Interceptor and found out why Honda lost to
Kawasaki that year - only extensive experience sliding around flat tracks saved
my ass.

Power? If you read other posts in this thread, or do a little research, you'll
find that a TZ-250 and a racing 600 have very comparable power/weight ratios.
Your inability to use the "2-smokes" power reflects on your lack of skill, not
the bike or powerplant.

BTW, I have never claimed that 4-strokes do not have their place, just that that
place is not in high performance sport motorcycles. In fact Kawasaki, Suzuki,
Yamaha and a dozen or so lesser known brands agreed with that opinion until they
were driven to 4-strokes by environmental laws. Honda spent millions trying to
make a competative 4-stroke but ever had to turn to "2-smokes" to win. OTOH I
have been more than pleased with them in my Harleys, Gold Wings, BMWs,
automobiles and even farm tractors, altho I prefer diesels in the latter.

You point to the many advances in the years since these environmental laws
effectively ended 2-stroke dominance of sportbikes and racing, but that
arguement only proves my contention. Given all of those advances, plus all of
the R&D money Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha spend converting to 4-smokes and
getting power out of them, what would you be able to buy if those smog laws
didn't apply to bikes? Again, if you want to get an idea of what these laws
cost you ride any good modern 1000cc superbike with a #27 car battery in the
tankbag. Note the poorer handling. Now do the same ride without the battery.
Then Imagine if you could remove the weight of another such battery from just
under the tank. That's what YOU are giving up so the idiot next door could have
six kids!

 

Naw you're the expert. I don't follow racing anymore. Find me a rider
who can do both GP and Superbike series and let's compare lap times.

Of course ignore the premier MotoGP class. Cause they're like, top
heavy four strokes!

Bwaaahhaha!

Man, I would love to duct tape you as a passenger aboard a Gixxer
1000.

Similar enough sure. Both were lean light and flickable. I didn't
notice any car battery holding me back underneath the gas tank.

When was the last time you were on the track?

I'm pretty sure Ivan Lendl would get his ass waxed by any obnoxious
kid on today's tennis circuit.

Life is like that... things move on. Apparently you didn't.

No, actually you said you couldn't.

Drifting tires on a stoneage monstrosity is not the same thing as
drifting tires on a latemodel sportbike.

See you even admit you never drifted a wheel on your WIFE'S Ninja 600.
That's because if you did you'd be going so much faster than the RD
that your milquetoast asshole would go into spasm and revert upon
itself, sucking in so much seat foam in the process as to prevent you
from sliding about and hanging off properly, whereupon you'd highside
and crash.

Much larger powerband on the four. Somethin even the most skilled pros
wouldn't mind having.

I'm not knocking the idiot next door and his six kids. Somebody's got
to work those thankless corporate jobs so I can sit on my ass as an
investor!

 

Yeah, yeah, it's enough for me.

 

But that weight is more than Suzuki quote. A lot more.

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/techspecs.asp?id=94&l=

Even adding 20kg to Suzuki's figures for a tank of fuel and oil (16
litre fuel tank and three litres of oil plus coolant) only gives
410lbs.

 

Did you forget to add on the weight of the 33lb cylinder head?
Obviously Suzuki did.

 

Must have done.

The 225 pound bloke in 50 odd pounds of clothing on top of it probably
doesn't help much either.

 

You'll be lucky to see an H2 outside a dealer's these days. They're
hugely valuable classics.

Some bikes come with steering dampers as standard, mostly hydraulic
these days. I think the Suzuki TL1000 was fitted with one as a retro-fit
after its early behaviour alarmed people. You see them on some Ducatis
too. Dunno why Dukes need them.

A steering damper is usually a sign that something is a little bit amiss
with the steering. A factory putting not one but *two* on before they
let the bike out of the gates is tantamount to a health warning painted
on the tank in fluorescent letters.

 

So, you're saying that the oil cartel on the bu$h regime
can make just as much money buying Iraq's oil as they could
if they controlled and sold it? That's amusing...

Right, because Iraqis are constantly blowing up pipe
lines and attacking anything and anyone associated with
the theft of Iraq's oil. The bu$h regime didn't plan on the
resistance to his mass murder, terrorism, torture, theft,
and war crimes being quite so effective or persistent.

This has been explained to you many times. Read,
learn, and stop acting like a retard.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0904-11.htm

"At least Bush/Cheney knew where they'd get the oil to
fuel their National Energy Policy. Documents pried by a
Judicial Watch lawsuit against the Cheney energy task force
meetings (at http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml)
show that Cheney and his buddies from Enron and other energy
companies had drawn up maps of Iraq's oil fields and made lists
of potential corporate purchasers of Iraqi oil - all months
before 9/11/01.
These former oil industry executives know their priorities. When
George W. Bush spoke on national television to announce the start of
"war" against Iraq, he looked into the camera and asked to speak
directly to the Iraqi people. He could have appealed to their
nationalism, and asked them to join our soldiers (or at least not
shoot at them) in toppling Saddam. He could have appealed to their
knowledge of the peaceful side of Islam and asked them to go to their
mosques, which we would protect from bombing, and pray for a quick
resolution of the conflict. He could have apologized in advance for
the death and destruction he was about to unleash on their land, that
would kill many times more innocent civilians than died in the World
Trade Center, and promise that the US would do our best to make it
good after the war.
But these were not the things on Bush's mind. Instead, he said,
"And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen
carefully to this warning. In any conflict, your fate will
depend on your action. Do not destroy oil wells...
Corporations that contribute heavily to Republican campaign
coffers are now firmly in control of Iraq's oil and have started
taking payment for reconstruction and supply that will amount to
billions of US tax dollars."

It's illogical as well as immoral to torture people, but
that has never prevented torturers from engaging in torture.
The war criminals and terrorists on the bu$h regime are no
exception. Their torture is widespread, systematic, and well
documented. Not even the war criminals on the bu$h regime are
denying that prisoners were tortured - they just deny having
knowledge of it, which is of course, a blatant lie. This has
been proven to you many times,too. I hope you're trolling, because
the alternative is that you're mentally ill.

http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips12022005.html


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http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

 

Hank wrote

Amusing but true nonetheless.

Find out how the Petrodollar works and from it understand how bad it
will be for your (and any closely associated) economy when (not if) Arab
oil gets traded in Euros and then understand *clearly* why the oil lobby
invaded Iraq.

 

It's interesting. Whether it's actually necessary is a moot point.

Heh. I'm thinking of H2s again - inherently unable to stay right side up
without two dampers....

 

You're backing up what I said. If the bu$h regime controls
Iraq's oil and its government, the oil will not be traded
in Euros.


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Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


"The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."


"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incomptence.

"The tools that enable Cuba save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf Hitler

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)


George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com
http://responsiblewealth.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

 

Hank wrote

Is it a coincidence and did I hear right that Iran is setting up a
petroleum market specifically to trade in Euros? I expect the texicans
will invade there next.

 

I have ridden with people stupid enough to provoke tankslappers on the
street. This can be due either to extremely fast speeds or less fast
velocities with a neophyte rider aboard who provokes said slapper due
to hysteria dynamics.

That being the case and Honda not lengthening their trail anytime soon
in this segment I think the HESD was a stroke of brilliance. A perfect
use of technology to eliminate the ugly part whilst remaining totally
transparent when you don't need it (ie parking lot bar wrestling).

 

Did they believe or just wish to avoid torture?

 

Given the time they lived in what do you think?

Phil.