Re: Harley Davidson Dyna ride height

By the riders who did a lot of cross-country tours.

Name them then. Only one comes to mind: Harley Davidson. The smaller jap bikes
were too uncomfortable and could carry too little baggage and the Brits were too
unreliable. Oops, I forgot - to y'all "cross country" means 200 miles.

No it was not - at least not here in the states. The smaller Suzis injected oil
into the air stream just behind the carbs.

When did I attribute its reliability ENTIRELY to its oil pump. Are you claiming
that injecting oil (vs premix) onto the bearings had no effect on reliability?

Pure conjecture.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from a man foolish enough to ride a 1200
Trophy.

 

Sorry, I thot you had been riding for a few years and had perchance experienced
a tank slapper or two. If you had you would know that a steering damper is
intended to dissipate the energies that lead to them before they become
dangerous. Now where do you think these oscillations come from? Hint: a spring
will oscillate unless it is damped. What spring does a steering damper damp?

 

The metalurgists tell me otherwise.

 

Jeeze, how to explain even the simplest most obvious concept to a man who cannot
comprehend what he reads?? I never said that a damper "alters frame rigidity".
That is a inherent function of design and materials. I said that a frame has
some springiness - an irrefutable fact. The amount also depends on design and
materials.

 

<snip>

You are now (or rather have been for some time) getting very dull.

You obviously have *some* knowledge but please, for the sake of everyone
else, keep it to yourself from now on 'cos you don't have enough knowledge
and it's just not funny seeing how you twist and turn in your many and
varied vain attempts to try to prove you are the only one who can ever be
right.

Give up.

Get a distraction or a hobby.

I dunno, invade a small country or something.

Just please stop being so aloof, sanctimonious and dull.

Thank you.

 

A steering damper does what it says on the tin. A damps oscillations in the
steering not in the frame. It can't damp oscillations in the frame because
its only attached to the frame at one point. It might reduce the effects of
frame flex but it doesn't and cannot stop the frame from flexing.

 

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/techspecs.asp?id=105&l=

161kg in pounds (how quaint) is 354lbs. Less than twice.

 

Better let the entire bicycle industry know then.

 

No it doesn't, it weighs 102KG[1] which is 224 pounds in English. Even if
you could get one under 200 pounds it would be below the MotoGP minimum
weight.

[1] 2003 model

 

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OK, then. Just about any Japanese bike around 500cc. Honda CB450, Honda
CB500 Four, Honda CB550 Four. Suzuki GT550. Yamaha XS650. God knows how
many Moto Guzzis - T3, California, Le Mans, Spada. Laverda Jota, Mirage.

And let's not forget one of the greatest - the Kawasaki Z1 and its
derivatives.

I will agree with your generalisation about Brit Bikes.

NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T, YOU TWONK! Have a look. Actually, do some
research instead of posting your nonsense. Virtually all Suzuki
two-strokes were fitted with this (admittedly excellent) oiling system.
The triples. The twins. The singles. Shit, I've *owned* most of them. Go
on, check.

No, **** it - I'll do it for you.

http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/t5002.htm

http://www.vjmw.org/tests/T305_raider.htm
""Posi-Force" engine lubrication has been a Suzuki trade-mark for some
years now, but on the Raider the system takes a step forward efficiency.
It now is similar to methods introduced on the X-5. Pistons, connecting
rod small ends, and cylinder walls. now are provided with a separate
supply of lubricant. Previously, these components had to rely on oil
thrown upward from the crankcases The engine-driven oil pump - which
also is mated to throttle opening - delivers oil through a pair of
tubes, each of which divides into two. Thus, two pipes divert to the
left side of the engine, and two to the right side."

This is talking about the 250cc and 305cc twins that pre-dated the GT75-
by some years.

No, I'm not, You are, and you've implied it was the only reason for its
reliability. I suggest that a very mild specific power output - and the
benefits of water cooling - were rather more effective. If you note, I
have always praised Suzuki's two-stroke oiling system. You will also
note that O have pointed out it was fitted to many other, less
reliable, Suzukis. *And it was*.

No. Simple fact. You increase power, and you lose longevity and
reliability. Take this to its logical extreme - Formula One race engines
go like dingbats, and are as tough as they can make them, but still need
rebuilds every race. OK?

Ah, yeah, right.

 

Succinct and to the point.

Saves me posting it.

The man's an imbecile. Thinks the Suzuki GT750 was the only Suzuki
two-stroke with forced lube to the crank....

 

Nope. The new R6 weighs about 110 pounds more. On a streetbike which
can be cut down further when you remove the fluff. With nearly double
the power output.

Read:
I am an ignorant old fool who knows not what they speak.

Fly-by-wire throttle, pressure cast aluminum frames, USD forks, radial
brakes, fuel injection, the list goes on... all within the last five
years.

Typically, roughly, blahblahblah...

You've never once weighed the components therefore are talking out of
your ignorant ass again.

I want actual specs. Head weight of the TZ racer vs. the assembly off
a latemodel supersport. Chop chop!

No, the context was your estimations of 4-strokes. Which have been
proven to be heresay, secondhand info from others and no direct
experience whatsoever save for an outdated motorcycle over a decade
old.

I think Rayvan, our resident Harlie queen has more useful input on
what supersports are capable of than yourself.

 

<snip nicely scientific explanation I couldn't hope to equal>

Now sod off, Vito, and come back when you've learned something....

 

The spring in your head, by the sound of it.

 

Then they're wrong. Why do you think we don't see springs made from
aluminium?

 

Blast. Ginged. Oh well, I'll let my posting stand ;-)

 

He's a worthy successor to the late lamented Hoyt McKagen[1], IMHO -
some knowledge, but completely overwhelemed by his ignorance and, as you
say, arrogance.

[1] aka The Carbon King

 

You're pretty corect in the latter.

Quite a few bikes had them fitted as standard, though - like a lot of
BMWs. Some early Guzzis.

Kawasaki's 750H2 two-wtroke triple, one of the most, erm, abrupt
motorcycles of all time, came from the factory with *two*.

 

Please tell me it hasn't really taken you this long to work that out?
I mean, it was fairly obvious weeks ago, and I cannot for the life of
me see why you're bothering to argue with him.

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Not over here. Altho they were fine commuter bikes the smaller Japs were never
popular with the 1000 in 1 crowd because they lacked the power to push a Vetter
fairing and tote luggage. Guzzi also made good bikes but had too little dealer
support - a problem they still have here. Even the CB750s fell out of use with
the advent of the Gold Wing and BMW had to copy the 'wing to stay in business.
Americans rightly or wrongly prefer huge machines for touring.

On the contrary. I replied to a poster who claimed that 2-strokes were
inherently unreliable by citing Suzi's 750 Water Buffalo as a very reliable bike
with oiling similar to a 4-stroke. Obviously that is not the only reason. I'm
sorry you inferred otherwise.

OTOH my wife's TZ-125 made 45HP at the rear wheel. An equivalent 750 would make
270HP! Yet I only replaced rings every other race weekend and pistons every 2
or 3 ring jobs. The lower ends never *needed* replacement altho I usually did
so every other season. And this was essentially 1970's technology and
metalurgy - ie when 100,000 miles was considered worn out on a car or bike. So,
with modern lube and development I believe that Suzi's 750 could be making say
150 HP in a 250# bike that handled like a TZ-250. That what started this all
......