Re: Harley Davidson Dyna ride height

Bush has done that to quite a few people, in a Derek Bentley context.

 

In one of the villages close to Stone, in Staffordshire, there's a pub which
has a sign showing two white women trying to scrub a black kid "clean" in an
old-fashioned tub. The pub is called "The labour in vain" and the villagers
have fought off several attempts to have the sign replaced with something
more PC.

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The speccy Geordie twat.

 

And, as of this morning, Bolivia. The new El Presidente dares to suggest
that Bolivia should have majority control of Bolivia's oil'n'gas acreage.
It'll be the United Fruit-promoted banana wars all over again.

 

AndrewR wrote

So there should be. Depicting wimmin as stupid and far too willing to
become engaged in pointless activities just for the sake of fashion is a
stereotype which is blatantly untrue. Up the PC brigade.

 

Yes. I merely refer to Harley riders' tendency not to exceed 55 anyway.

 

I have a group of friends with whom I get together for an extended
weekend of riding each year in the Appalachians. Two of them ride
Triumph Trophy 1200s. Nice bikes. I don't even mind waiting for them
at the end of a particularly challenging set of curves. I'm sure we
could arrange for you to borrow one, and they could ride one of my
other bikes besides my Harley. You should fly over for our next
get-together in the autumn of 2006. I'll pick you up at the airport
and put you up in the guest room. Hell, you can ride one of my bikes
to the lovely little town where we stay, and switch to the Trophy
there! (I'll even carry your gear in the commodious hard bags of my
Harley.) The colors in those hills are spectacular - I bet you would
have a blast. And you might come away with a slightly different view
of how Harleys work and how -at least some - American riders ride them.

 

Shame. Bloody accountants couldn't even get that right.

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No doubt.

 

So I'm told - mostly by folks who never owned one. I had a 75 and an 81.
Both were competent, reliable bikes.

 

There's your trouble! You had your wife along! Otherwise you'd have
beenable to find solace whenever you parked the H-D. Of course on a Honda
it doesn't matter ..

 

Not quite. All bikes change direction by leaning, which makes the tire
contact section conical vs round. One can lean a bike quickly without
countersteering unless it has too much inertia from too much badly placed
weight. More important, one can make minor adjustments to lean (cornering
circle) by small weight shifts on a 2-stroke but these are practically
impossible with 40# of unnessary weight up under the tank. Yes, one can
counter steer a 2-stroke when needed - it's just not needed constantly or to
the degree of bending the bars like Lawson used to do his Kawasaki.

Not purposely - but find a bit of gravel or wet leaves and there you are -
hammered.

It's not, but its not germaine to the discussion. The 500s made more power
than even the experts could handle consistently and had to be detuned and
the firing order changed to make them rideable. The 1000s don't have that
problem.

A more appropriate comparison would be the 125s and 250s. AFAIK no rule
forces anybody to use 2 strokes but they all do.

Why do you think so? Imagine a bike that as powerful, etc., but that
didn't have 40-50 lb of dead weight up under the gas tank. How would that
be more treacherous? Take your own bike, strap a #27 auto battery to the
tank then ride it for a week ot two. Then take it off and feel the
difference. Is it more treacherous with or without the battery?

 

[Damn. Where's the link to that page about the bike with the two
handlebars ... one mounted solid, the other conventional ... ]

 

http://www.superbikeschool.com/news/press-releases/no_bs_bike_release.php

 

Yes, thanks. There used to be pictures of the bike and the two
handlebars, as I recall. Ah, here we go, first two pics:
http://www.superbikeschool.com/gallery/album02

 

No, it is absolute fact.

Nor does reading one book.

Try to corner without shifting the CG (leaning).

 

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Try reading some of the articles posted. Maybe then you might begin to
have a clue.

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Not really. Care to point out where the EU specs its oil from?
Certainly not the middle east, right?

And I'm sure I can look forward to you lot giving up all
petrochemicals as a show of solidarity against the US's brutal
invasion of Iraq? Let me know when you'll be handing over the keys to
your econobox.

On the plus side of the equation, Bush's pro-oil stance has allowed
fuel prices to skyrocket. This has had the unique effect of completely
ending Americans' fascination with light trucks as passenger vehicle.
People are finally, <gasp> looking at fuel economy!

 

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Naughty naughty naughty!


Here in the States we have Oprah Winfrey. Primarily responsible for
the menstruation of television, there would be scads of opinionated
hosewives bored out of their minds mindlessly clamoring for you to
apologize to them. Being liberal sorts against the death penalty and
all that, it's the best punishment they can hope for.

 

Definately proves that one cannot force a UJM down into cornering attitude
without counter-steering. But what has this to do with that same bike's
treacherous handling characteristics?

Let me use a different illustration. You are heeled over in a 180 sweeper
when the rear tyre begins to slide out. What do you do?

On a TZ-250 you simply shift a tad more weight outboard while steering the
front wheel slightly to maintain your line and carry on.

You may try that on a UJM like the one shown but with 40 lbs of steel up
under the tank the UJM treats the steering input as more countersteer,
trying to force the bike down instead of allowing the front to follow the
rear out to maintain line. Ifyou're lucky you low-side. The suspension
farther compresses as the bike tries to rotate around its GC forcing the
tyres into the pavement. The drifting rear bites hard and centripital force
jerks the bike upright. After a good shake it continues off the road,
sometimes with sometimes without the rider. That's why so many people like
to watch Superbikes. Same reason as some like NASCAR.

Still doubt? Watch some F3 races and see what the riders get away with but
don't try it on your UJM.

 

Maintain steady throttle, and push hard with my inside knee and lever
the bike slightly more upright. Works about 19 times out of 20.

If you're not leaned over enough that your inside knee is on the
ground, your rear tire won't be sliding out unless you are an
incompetent rider. If you are leaned over enough that your inside knee
IS on the ground, you cannot and will not be able to "shift weight
outboard" at such a lean angle, regardless of what bike you are riding.

I've raced against riders on TZ250s and 600 supersports. They don't
handle all that much differently.