Re: Harley Davidson Dyna ride height

What a load of bollocks. British and American motorcycle manufacturers
fell by the wayside because they were shit.

Subsidies my arse.

On what planet?

Again, what a load of bollocks.

Fine, choose away.
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On UKRM you're just a **** with opinions.

 

There's one in Ashbourne that used to be called the "Green Man and
Black's Head". An ancient coaching inn (well, two actually, merged
together), the sign for it spanned the road with a huge negroid head
on it. I think they've now removed the sign, but the name remains.

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Fact is they NEVER realized what Demming had said and hence were unable to
adopt it.

 

policy.....

Not in this particular case. What do you call it when a foreign government
subsidizes a product so it can be sold at under cost in the target country?

 

Sadly, yes, but I've had a lot of fun getting that way and haven't quit yet.

 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:27:04 +0000,

Some time during the 90s when a wave of political correctness swept
over Americans. You can thank that partly for the Bush backlash.
Common folk got tired of being lectured about proper behavior and
voted in the class clown.

 

Riiiiiiiight. And Blair listens to the people he does.

I can understand your anger. Both the US and UK are filled mostly with
fools who whine about their leadership and then re-elect them in the
next round of voting.

Never been shot, sued once. I think I'd prefer being shot but I'll get
back to you once I've done both. Which should be any day now given the
propensity of gun violence out here in the Wild West.

Regardless of my experience with not-so-civil-law it beats the old
"keep a stiff upper lip eh" of England's approach to torts. Maybe they
confused tort law with "let them eat cake"? No "e" at the end of it
though.

Wunderful.

Yes, thanks to your sky high petrol prices all of Europe is mostly a
particulate laden smokestack of aging diesel whatnots puttering about
in poor repair.

What an incredibly brilliant idea! Tax the hell out of fuel so
everyone moves to diesel and you can afford the free socalised
medicine to deal with all the respiratory ailments said policy
produces.

And for the life of me, I simply cannot figure out why all lorries
across the continent have their stormsewer sized exhausts aimed out
the side right into their fellow motorists' open window instead of up
on top in neat little stacks like we have here in the civilised United
States of America.

You mean the United States? Ah yes...

 

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:53 +0000,

Into what?

Darwin claimed that a species adapts to its environment. Those
unsuited for the new way are eliminated by nature.

In the New Britain, those who are unsuited are eliminated by man. Like
for example, the poor sod caught wearing a winter coat on a balmy day
in the Metro.

It is "good manners" to a confused lot yes. Manners are typically the
concern of kept women, nobility and other frail creatures who must do
what they can to stay within the graces of their master.

You take your good manners. I'll fart at the dinner table knowing damn
well if anyone has a problem with that the US can flip the entire
feast onto its head.

 

Euroes have the luxury of living in a fantasyland cause the US is
doing the heavy lifting. National defence? Energy? Why worry about
that shit when another is taking the flak?

Think of the entire continent as one large council. Yourselves as
council dwellers. Freely consuming petrol, first world luxuries, the
beneficiaries of monetary policy which "enslaves" the third world into
debt, etc... all the while whining about the US's actions which
without your entire socioeconomic system would collapse tomorrow.

People claim Bush wanted Iraq's oil. Yet US oil is largely sourced
from Venezuela, Alasaka and Texas. It's the euroes that claim the
heavy Arab crude for their diesel fetish. We prefer the lighter
varietals.

The Europeon benefits just as much as the American from the supposed
"war for oil". Yet I don't see anyone in the EC dropping their
petrochemical needs as a show of solidarity against the Great
Satan[tm].

Please explain then why Europe adopted lead-free fuel over a decade
later. Why emissions regulations in the US are tighter than Germany's.
Why diesel passenger vehicles are outlawed in the cleaner states.

The only hippocritters I see are in jolly old England. Grown children
critiquing the US for their first world excess all the while enjoying
a similar standard of living. I guess because you send a few
physicians overseas in that doctors without borders bullshit you atone
for the same sins which America is guilty of?

 

As a bike leans over to turn it must rotate about a line drawn thru the tyre
contact patches or about one thru the centers of gravity. Either way it must
overcome inertia to begin that roll moment then again overcome inertia to
stop that moment once the needed lean angle is reached. The lower the major
weight contributors are (the closer to the contact patches) the less the
pendulum arm effect and the easier and quicker these transitions are to
manage.

A 2-stroke motor has a simple valveless head so the only weight is the crank
yet they can provide over 250 HP/liter. This allows very "flickable" bikes.

By contrast, 4-stroke motors are sore pressed to produce half the power and
need heavy overhead valves, springs, cams and drives to do so. And since
they need 2x the displacement flame propagation dictates they have 2x the
number of cylinders to turn equal RPMs. This plus the cam drive makes them
relatively wide so they must sit higher in the chassis. The bottom line is
that, other things (HP, tires, etc) being equal a four stroke handles like a
two stroke with a #27 car battery on the gas tank.

Much of this can be, and has been, masked by careful chassis design so that
it isn't apparent to those who've never ridden a good 2-stroke (say a TZ250)
near the limit. We are taught to counter-steer, a technique that compensates
for poor weight placement by forcing the bike to rotate about the CG rather
than the contact patches but, since the CG is higher, this tends to lift
weight off the tires at the most critical times as well as add a burden to
the front tire. These bikes feel and handle great so long as there is plenty
of traction and roll time but if one must correct for a pavement
irregularity, spot of oil, etc. whilst near the limit (what driver call
"drifting" the tires) that big old pendulum will rear up and hammer you into
the pavement. That' why I say "treacherous" instead of poor. The old
2-stroke Kawasakis were poor handlers but they let you know when you were
getting into trouble. Modern sport bikes handle much better, so good that
they're like a trap waiting to spring.

 

I thot like that when I was a kid too ....

 

Well I agree with this, the Oil Excuse is bollocks. Saddam had to go to
protect "our friends" in Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan as well as a
few minor players. He fucked up big time invading another "friend",
Kuwait. Had he concentrated on Syria and Iran and made friends with
Sharon I am sure he would still be in power.

'Hog

 

Vito wrote

The Common Agricultural Policy.

 

Utter crap.

Saudi Arabia is your second-largest supplier. Canada your largest.
Venezuela accounts for a mere 11%.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_l
evel_imports/current/import.html

Figures also confirmed here

http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html

 

The pub sign for the Who'd 'a thought it, in Grafty Green, Kent, used to
depict a beaming apple-cheeked Kent lass cradling a black baby. Not for
many years, though.

 

Your government is guilty of that also.

 

Grimly Curmudgeon scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Hmm. Which reminds me - given how revered proper Indians are these
days, does anyone remember why they went belly-up? ISTR that they are
supposed to be considerably better than Harleys of the same age.

 

I read somewhere that almost all their sales were to the police and
military - and when they switched to HD, that was the end of Indian.

No idea if it's true, though.

 

I for one, and tired of trying to figure out "what" they wish to be
called.

 

The Older Gentleman scribbled on the back of a napkin:

You're just undermining the argument towards the next bit of regime
change in order to get rid of the Socialist Scum in Venezuela, you do.