rc212v aero package woes?

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i find it amazing that a company w/ the resources of honda would not
effectively address the aero package before they start testing. they
have a wind-tunnel, they can get a set of nicky's leathers and stuff a
dummy into it. so do it and freakin' test it BEFORE you start testing.

 

I don't quite recall where I read it, but some mag actually claimed none of
the MotoGP bikes seem overly optimized when it comes to aerodynamics these
days. They point at the fact several riders raise their asses high up in the
air on long straights because it gives them a speed-boost. The only riders I
have seen do that are Rossi and Edwards, though.

Perhaps the prevailing thinking on the 900s was that there was too much
power on tap, and development focused on managing it via electronics. With
the 800s and peakier power delivery, the equation seems to have changed.

....pablo

 

pablo read:

I remember reading that the Honda AMA superbike team (DuHamel at
least) has done a couple wind tunnel tests with the rider. DuHamel
went
to Japan to do it. I find it hard to believe that the MotoGP teams
haven't
done someting similar.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

 

hard to believe, but i think erik buell's aero work in AMA is actually
better than what we're seeign from honda in motogp!

 

When it comes to something as complex as aerodynamics for a road
racing vehicle (particularly a motorcycle), there's no such thing as
good and bad. Everything you do is a compromise. What Hayden is
saying is that the bike is not providing enough wind deflection in
front and at the rear for him. That said, there is a reason why that
is so.

RC212V's bodywork is a kind of logical extension of the direction
Honda went in with the RC211V. If you recall, even then there was a
huge difference between Honda other bikes, especially Ducati and early
Yamahas. Ducati and Yamaha both went for the top speed approach,
attempting to minimize straght line aerodynamic drag. Ducati was
particularly successful at that. Honda on the other hand realized
that a motorcycle suffered from some instability issues during
cornering if the aerodynamics were focused on drag reduction. So they
went with a minimal fairing and more of a choppy kinda tail. Notice
the difference in Yamaha's aerodynamics right after Rossi jumped ship
-- it became a lot less like the Ducati and a lot more like the Honda.

At this point, Honda probably figured they were gonna benefit even
more from concentrating on corner speed for a less powerful (yeah,
right) 800, so it appears they went with an even more radical
aerodynamic package designed almost completely for fighting
aerodynamic turbulence during cornering. Having a tiny rider like
Pedrosa probably didn't hurt making that decision either. Is it too
much? Is it unfair to Hayden? Who knows. They're still testing.
This is the time to be experimenting.

 

He's baaack!

 

So tell us, which part of that do you have problems with? The only part that
I have difficulty with is the thing about who they designed the bike for. I
think it may be a little different and a little darker than just a Dani
deal...

 

What's really, really amusing is that it provides the
JIS-hater/Hayden-fanboy with a way of whining and crowing at the same time.
It's a sound like a donkey's braying.

 

It seems the bikes have different characteristics, the 800's faster through
corners but lacking outright drive so it sort of balances out lap time wise,
but in a race scenario the 990's would have the edge as they would balk the
800's in the corners then blast out leaving the 800's in their wake.

Paul

 

It seems we are all creeping out of the woodwork now, the group is getting
busier after a lull, good to see.

Paul

 

I would call that an OCD.

 

Stop being coy. We all know where this smaller rider-business is leading.
There may be sound engineering reasons for designing bikes for smaller
riders, but HRC has made it clear they hate big, strapping, manly 'Mericans
and their large penises. The smaller the rider, the less testosterone they
have and the more likely they are to be ... EurofagsT!

Obviously the JIS girly-men are still pissy about our refusal to lower the
standard height of basketball nets, so they're hitting us below the belt in
MotoGP. I'm sure you'll stay on top of this fiendish plot to reduce our
precious bodily fluids, Pvt. Nusbaum. God bless the USA.

 

And guess what? They just happen to have a whole country full of those
little buggers! Surprise, surprise..

Careful now..

 

An open challenge to a guy who we all know is extremely capable and adept at
dredging up past reMarks. You might have forgot, or maybe even later changed
your mind, however, google will not...

 

Actually, you can set up your posts to delete forever off usenet and Google
after a week, but I can't recall off the top of my head how to do it.

P.S. I'm not sure what happens if you post is attributed in another post.

 

Actually, not only are Americans getting fatter, we're getting shorter
(relatively):

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1185387,00.html>

Shouldn't the van den Goorbergh's of the world feel more slighted than the
Owensboroians?

 

If you like facts so much, would you care to substantiate this
incredible insight? BTW, what happened to the aerodynamics debate?

 

Comin' down for the races this year?

 

Yeah, I sure did. Kinda strange too, seeing how they just about to jump in
bed with Moto-ST. Hopefully somethin's up...

 

So what you're saying is that you saw this fact written "somewhere"
and to back it up, you provide more of your speculation.

Thanks so much for clearing it up. And there I was, not being able to
read the post tree. I was just wondering why you were talking
offtopic.