[QUOTE="Andy Bonwick"] You can, you just haven't gone through all the phases of getting your knee down yet. a) Want to but can't. b) Want to and can do continuously. c) Only get your knee down by accident or when you want to entertain other road users.[/QUOTE] Heh - I'm still firmly at b). Bloody pricey in terms of knee sliders, and proved to be a bit of a hindrance on the track, until I worked out that the bike needed to come down towards my knee at some point.