Question for all about pedestrian crossings

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by George W Frost, May 4, 2011.

  1. Can anyone tell me
    what denotes a legally correct and proper pedestrian crossing ?
    What is the criteria for the design, operation and placement of pedestrian
    crossings?
    We all see pedestrian crossings everywhere we go, whether it be on the main
    and local roads, outside schools, half-way between intersections, crossing
    roads outside supermarkets and thousands of other places.
    The question arises as to which ones are legal
    Now, before you say they are all legal, if you see a pedestrian crossing,
    you have to stop,
    but, is it a legal crossing?

    Most pedestrian crossings you see, have white painted lines across the road.
    a dark yellow sign with "walking legs" painted in black and a pair of
    flashing amber lights facing in both directions.

    In my travels, I have noticed with more frequency, white lines painted on
    the pavement, inside a shopping complex parking lot.
    Now, these "crossings" have not got any flashing lights, just the painted
    lines on the road , these walking legs signs appear to differ from the
    Vicroads pedestrian crossing signs, because of the brighter yellow sign and
    some with no signs at all.
    These "crossings " appear to have been put in by the management of the
    shopping complex.
    Are they legal pedestrian crossings as defined by Vicroads?
    If they are legal, then why the different colour of yellow and why no
    flashing lights
    If they are not legal, then who would be to blame if a pedestrian is hit or
    a shopper crashes his or her shopping trolley into a car, as is the case
    with a lot of women with prams, who push the prams out onto the road in
    front of cars, just so they can get across the road, relying on the
    motorists fear of hitting a defenceless pram.
    Also, if they are not legal, how can they be put there in the first place?
    If they are legal, does this mean that anyone can paint white lines across
    the road outside their house to slow the traffic down so they can get across
    for a visit to the blonde neighbour.
     
    George W Frost, May 4, 2011
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. George W Frost

    Nev.. Guest

    They are not "legal" crossings defined by Vicroads, as you put it,
    because you are not on a public road. You are in a car park. Car parks
    are where people drive and people walk. It's in their nature. As a
    driver you should be on the lookout for pedestrians and vehicles moving
    in and out of parking spaces and avoid colliding with them and the the
    same applies if you're a pedestrian. That probably means that you'd be
    at least 50% responsible for hitting a pedestrian, and even more so if
    the pedestrian was crossing somewhere near what looked like a pedestrian
    crossing.

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., May 4, 2011
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. George W Frost

    TimC Guest

    On 2011-05-04, George W Frost (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
    ....
    Defenseless prams?

    You don't understand just how nasty babies can be, do you? Did you
    realise they're usually packing a rocket launcher under their cute
    little pink blankets? Can you just see their cheerful little smile as
    they release the safety flap and press the big red button? *blam* one
    flaming bike and you're blown into the air.
     
    TimC, May 4, 2011
    #3
  4. Precisely my point Nev as to whether they are legal crossings or not.
    because there are white lines painted on the road, people assume they are
    legal pedestrian crossings.

    I thought, and that is why I posted this, that I might get an informative
    answer to the legality and what the criteria was for the installation ,
    placement and set-up of the "crossings",
    such as there is a criteria for speed camera operations and set-up positions
     
    George W Frost, May 4, 2011
    #4
  5. George W Frost

    Nev.. Guest

    It all depends if it's a pedestrian crossing on a public road, or if
    it's a designated place for pedestrians to cross the road on private
    property.

    If it's on private property (I'm guessing most shopping centre car parks
    no not fall under the category of public roads) then the owner of the
    car park can designate any area they like to be parking or roadway or
    crossing.

    Your question should be. Is it legally enforcible. ie can you get a
    fine if you fail to give way. The answer to that question would
    probably be no, however, if you failed to give way and hit a pedestrian,
    then you would probably be charged with some other offence, like
    reckless or careless driving, which are probably enforceable in a
    carpark, and you would probably have some common law liability also.

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., May 4, 2011
    #5
  6. George W Frost

    alx Guest

    It's a road-related area and Rules apply to these areas as well.


    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s81.html

    Pedestrian crossings as defined do not apply to road-related areas.
     
    alx, May 4, 2011
    #6

  7. Sorry Nev, you are right, I should have been more precise in the question


    The answer to that question would


    Thanks Nev for your input and even though me as a driver,
    should take care not to hit pedestrians,
    pedestrians should take care not to make contact with vehicles ?
     
    George W Frost, May 4, 2011
    #7
  8. It's a road-related area and Rules apply to these areas as well.


    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s81.html

    Pedestrian crossings as defined do not apply to road-related areas.


    ******************

    Thankx Alx
    I saw that piece but, I don't think it would apply to Victoria as each state
    has a different legislation
    It will be better if all the states laws, coincide with each other
     
    George W Frost, May 4, 2011
    #8
  9. Also Alxr,
    Those rules state that even if there are only white lines painted on the4
    road, it is still a legal pedestrian crossing, regardless of whether it has
    lights or any sign to inform the motorist
    That is as I read it:
    A "pedestrian crossing" is an area of a road:
    (a) at a place with white stripes on the road surface that:
    (i) run lengthwise along the road, and
    (ii) are of approximately the same length, and
    (iii) are approximately parallel to each other, and
    (iv) are in a row that extends completely, or partly, across the road,
    and
    ***(b) with or without either or both of the following: ***
    ___________________________________
    (i) a pedestrian crossing sign,
    (ii) alternating flashing twin yellow lights.
     
    George W Frost, May 4, 2011
    #9
  10. George W Frost

    TimC Guest

    I bashed the side of a van once when he made no attempt to slow down
    when barrelling through a slip road at a traffic light with a ped
    crossing in the middle. Probably resonated quite nicely inside the
    van. The driver wasn't impressed and delayed himself even more while
    he sat in the middle of the road arguing, than if he just stopped in
    the first place; but the dozen or so peds standing around were on my
    side. It's a crossing mate; you were required to stop.
     
    TimC, May 4, 2011
    #10
  11. George W Frost

    Diogenes Guest

    IIRC, the Rudd/Gillard/WhoNext guvmint has been working hard on
    exactly that.

    =================

    Onya bike

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, May 4, 2011
    #11
  12. George W Frost

    Diogenes Guest

    George, when on on private property and where there as speed limit
    signs dispayed which suggest you whould drive/ride very slowly and
    common sense tells you that pedestrians are likely to be "everywhere",
    that same common sense should tell you that you are in a zone where,
    for a number of reasons, you should adopt the attitude that
    pedestrians have right of way and therefore drive/ride accordingly.

    Your focus on legality suggests to me that you don't actually give a
    rat's about pedestrian safety, but that you are merely enquiring about
    how to run them over legally.

    =================

    Onya bike

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, May 4, 2011
    #12
  13. George W Frost

    alx Guest

    Yeah I agree..but the crux of the question put is are they legal or
    how are they legally defined?

    The commonsense bat has been swung about and I just treat em all as
    "legal" anyway.

    Commonsense responses don't always count for much if the context of
    the query is related to a court matter.
     
    alx, May 5, 2011
    #13
  14. Sorry TimC, but a pedestrian only has right of way on a slip lane if they
    are already on the crossing when the vehicle arrives
    the pedestrian must keep a look-out for vehicles and give way to them.

    Looking through all the pages I have been recommended, has brought a lot of
    things to light and this was one of them
     
    George W Frost, May 5, 2011
    #14

  15. That's right Gerry
    they will be then taking a walk on the wild side
     
    George W Frost, May 5, 2011
    #15
  16. George W Frost

    alx Guest

    If a pedestrian steps off from the kerb, waving a sign saying "I X-
    POST IN AUSMOTO !! " then no rules apply.
     
    alx, May 5, 2011
    #16
  17. George W Frost

    alx Guest

    I agree. Are we talking about a "road" or a "road related area" that
    are separately defined.
     
    alx, May 5, 2011
    #17
  18. George W Frost

    Diogenes Guest

    I just re-read what I typed. So may typo's my keyboard must be
    dyslexic.


    =================

    Onya bike

    Gerry
     
    Diogenes, May 6, 2011
    #18
  19. George W Frost

    Yeebok Guest

    Yeah babies are vicious little fucks. Don't mess with them !
     
    Yeebok, May 8, 2011
    #19
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.