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The timeframe to get Iraq under it's own security forces man!

 

So there were American warplanes in the air and soldiers on the ground?
Utter rubbish.

A fundementalist islamic regime run by a bunch of extremist sponsoring
terror groups and urging genocidal war. There is nothing much right with
it. I've met lots of Iranians. Yes the BE did lots of good things and a
few spectacularly bad things (Partitions etc).

Your slip is showing. I rate Bush on the whole a decent man, like Blair.
Iraqi insurgency has caught everyone by surprise but wars are rarely
predictable. People like you would also have walked away from Poland,
France and Nazi mass extermination in 1939. Just like the US Democrats
who under the guise of liberal concern are in fact simply retreating
back into isolationism.

 

Well given their grip of and infestation in Southern Lebanon I think it
is safe to consider it "heavily influenced" by Hezbollah. While they
will gain a few recruits I've got another £20 which says that their
infrastructure and hardware have been severely fucked up. It is
galvanising the government of Lebanon to do something at last. Hassian
Nasrallah was already in the Administration and was positioning himself
for a pitch at PM. Go have a look (wiki?) at Hezbollah's policies and
connections with Iran. To consider that Israel lost something here is
bizarre, in fact it flushed out the movement of Iranian armaments into
the region. Lots of it has been destroyed and it will not be allowed to
accumulate again. In the face of the UN failure to monitor and control
armaments in the area the Jews are probably wishing they had gone in
somewhat earlier. They have pushed enemy combatants half way back up the
country.

 

Champ, please don't feed the troll.

 

Paid for and underwritten in the main with global jewish money I
believe, a slightly different matter. Sure they use US planes, so do
lots of countries. They build their own tanks and many other armaments.

So you seem to be coming down against the creation or continuation of
the Israeli state now? it has become fashionable. While it's creation
from the Balfour Declaration onwards was an utter bollocks and much of
their home policy borders on Apartheit the events of the 1940's cannot
be undone and neither can the nation state. The guys who are fighting in
Lebanon, the Syrians and the Iranians have **** all to do with any of
that however and have not exactly been big friends of the Palestinians
in the past either.

 

I think you've just blown your own argument apart. "It will take time"

Furthermore, even if there was a political support for Israel (which
would be a paper support only), popular support would never be for a
country which most Arabs refuse to acknowledge.

 

The US engaging Iran/Syrian, I could (at a limit) stretch my thoughts
too (Even if I do find it extremely unlikely). For the UK to side with
the Merkins on this would probably bring down the government. IMO, of
course.

 

Which is now the mandate of a UN force to control FFS. It was before and
the UN failed, perhaps this time it will be taken more seriously.

Oh for goodness sake, the Iranians are supplying a terrorist guerilla
organisation and assisting them in usurping a multi faith democratic
Administration, an unveiled attempt to extend the Islamic Revolution out
of Iran, as is some of the insurgency in Iraq. The US sells armaments,
as do most industrialised countries to other nation states.

This is beneath you to support. It's a made up argument spilling out of
Iran into Syria and Lebannon.

Utter rubbish

 

*ding* My thoughts exactly. For a fearsome Army, the Israelis haven't
even dented the surface of Hezbollah.

 

Don't be so naïve.

 

Bad form etc. Forgot to mention that the USA also funded the Palestinian
areas substantially as well prior to the election of Hamas, in fact they
did so while Arab neighbours failed to keep up with their financial
support.

 

IIRC since 2001, Israel has been allocated over $10.5 billion in
military aid from the US but they've only received $6.3 billion worth
of arms, atm.

But you're 100% spot on with your 5 minute fact, IMO.

 

How is that? I am talking about peaceful democratic change in front of
a world stage. Iraq had to be something else as it was being run as a
personal killing ground for a man and his 2 sons.

Most Arabs DO NOT refuse to acknowledge. Islam is a religion built on
considerable tolerance of other faiths. The fanatic fringe have usurped
it heinously.

Most Arabs will object, as I do, about the Apartheit treatment of
Palastinians created by Jewish fundementalists. Israel is reaping the
fall out from those mistakes within the nation but has been slowly
pulling towards more equitable government.

Iran want's to create an entire consolidated Islamic power bloc in the
Middle East. I doubt the BHaL would think much of the form it might
take.

 

Ogden is too thick to notice it isn't trolling in any sense. It's all
rather topical and interesting and the outcomes are going to affect us
all.

 

I have to file 99% of the stuff you post as troll material, if only
because the alternative (that you really believe what you post) is so
unpalatable. I'm quite sure you pepper honest opinions with deliberately
inflammatory nonsense, and vice versa, but you can't complain if the
other 1% gets filed in the same way.

 

Well OK the USA has converted a lot of loan into grant. But why do you
think this has been the case, eh? The USA wasn't exactly a welcoming
place for Jews prior to WWII.

It was a barely inhabited desert in 1917 when Balfour made his
declaration (1). It wasn't much more in 1944.

"In November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to
recommend partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. The two
states were to be joined in an economic union, and Jerusalem would be
administered by the United Nations. The Arabs would get 43 percent of
the land, the Jews 57 percent."

They didn't grab it, they were granted it, albeit that the global
politics were Machiavellian in the extreme.

(1) the reasons for which are fascinating

 

Your optimism for them is touching!
I suspect they are thinking "**** wish we hadn't kidnapped those two
soldiers"

 

You ignore their excellent home grown capacity

 

No I mostly just try and keep the scales balanced

 

"I'm not a troll, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate."

Whatever.