Proposed new vehicle excise charges

I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
that have more than one...

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My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs attacking
immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown and I
suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?

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Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.

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SP wrote

I don't have a problem with this. I have been a supporter of some form
of scalable VED for years and years and years and think it is a jolly
good idea.

 

No way. That must be a joke.

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So some bloke at the DVLA has leaked a document about a highly controversial
measure to his mate who sent you this email but failed to tell to the Press
/ Opposition etc. Not really likely is it?

 

You think it's a jolly good idea that bikes will be charged on a
similar scale to cars, in some cases more because of their bhp?

Anyway, we already have scaleable VED in existence.

I'm starting to worry about you.

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It'd be ok if they scrapped the exorbitant tax rates on fuel, but
somehow I can't see that happening.

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It wasn't an email, it was on another forum. As I said, I've no idea
how genuine it is. HTH.

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SP says...

I won't bother getting tax if they bring in anything as dramatic as
this. Things have gone beyond a fucking joke IMO.

 

And where are they going to get the BHP ratings from? Government-issue
dynos?

There's sometimes 10bhp between claimed and measured rear-wheel power
outputs.

And that's on new bikes: BHP for BHP, ShiteOldBikes are probably worse.
I mean, the 400 Four is rated at 37bhp but I'd be surprised if more than
30bhp gets to the back wheel.

 

SP wrote

Not as such no, I am one of those in favour of putting the tax on fuel
and thus taxing consumption, which is much the same thing.

However I know full well that it would be political suicide for whoever
did such a thing and therefore have, somewhat reluctantly admittedly,
to settle for being in favour of a slightly less attractive political
cop out solution.

Not in any way which properly addresses the need to reduce the burning
of fossil fuels to a level which would leave my grandchildren with a
breathable atmosphere.

For which I am grateful.

 

Ooh another leaked document which escaped via a mate of a mate who overheard
something in the office.

Let's see...

100E -- 10bhp - 30mpg -- £ 20.00
GS125 - 12bhp - 120mpg - £ 24.00
Fazer - 90bhp - 60mpg -- £180.00

The 100E actually has around 30bhp but it's rated at 10bhp because they
calculated from bore and stroke in them days, or so I've been lead to
believe.

The cheapest vehicle to tax if it wasn't already exempt is the slowest, most
dangerous and least efficient of my three vehicles.

 

PDannyD

And the most polluting.

 

You're right. Scrap car tax and add 10p a litre to fuel. Job done. Next!

 

I'm looking into fuelling it with a wood-gas generator converted to run on
burning tyres. ;-)

 

Wouldn't it be in P/S if this was going to come in? Most power output
figures are quoted as such in new vehicle blurb.

 

This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the legislative
process works.

 

Ben Blaney wrote in

Indeed. Any new tax rates would not apply to vehicles manufactured prior
to the implementation. There would have to be a dual scheme in place as
we currently have for cars: only those made after 01/03/2001 are covered
by the C02 bands; older cars are taxed by engine size.

 

Think about this ... why haven't they scrapped road tax and put the money on
fuel, instead, as others in this thread have suggested?

Because if they so much as think about it the road haulage lobby kick up a
huge stink about how its going to drive truck companies out of business, put
up the price of everything, etc.

Now, perhaps TOG can give us an idea of what the typical power output of a
truck is, I don't know, but I'm willing to bet they're not in the 100bhp or
less category.

The second point is that they have practically only just introduced
emissions based taxation, why would they back that out in favour of a
power-based scale, which is obviously less eco-friendly? Bear in mind that,
at the moment, SOCs (other than those that are exempt) pay the highest band
of road tax, but most of them aren't 200bhp+ monsters, so this policy would
actually encourage people to continue running these "polluting" monsters
(yes, yes, there's a whole separate debate on whether that really is an
environmentally friendly policy or not).

Anyway, even if they did propose such a plan there is no way it could be
introduced by 1st January (or even 1st April) and to introduce such a scheme
in a general election year would be absolutely suicidal.

So, in conclusion, the post is bollocks, it's obviously bollocks and people
should probably avoid spreading it any further.


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says...

ICBW, but don't the French use a system based on entirely notional
horsepower figures- "chevaux fiscaux", ie "taxable horses"- where the
Gvt just announces a figure for each model of vehicle and that's it?

 

The French abolished road tax several years ago.

So now they have cheaper fuel, insurance for is for the vehicle with
any driver as standard, no road tax, cheaper wines and spirits,
slightly cheaper fags, far better roads and politicos that expect to
be ignored.

Remind me, what is it that is so bad about Europe?

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