[QUOTE="The Older"] WW Three? Bush didn't mention it had started already....[/QUOTE] Typo. But why would he bother to make it official. As long as we turn up and do our bit like good little, er... [QUOTE] As for bravery - Luftwaffe too, I'm afraid.[/QUOTE] I have more sympathy for the defenders, particularly because they were defending my parents & grandparents, but I know what you mean. <on> There's a Spit at kept at Filton, maintained by the lads at Airbus I think. It often aerobats over the Cribbs causeway shopping complex, at the side of the airfield, and I agree, it's amazing how few people notice. But that sound... Regards, Simonm.