Pre-Friday Funny... (Saddam / Outkast)

Sorby wrote

Take it from me, I know about this thing, you do not have be even the
slightest bit talented to appreciate both lyrics and music. I think
though that you lot are to a certain extent arguing about the wrong
thongs. As I see it the lyrics are a part of the music as much as any
other instrument and like any other instrument is played either up front
or in the middle or as background depending on the vision of the
producer.

 

There is no such thing as a wrong thong.

--

Dave

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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote

So why are they arguing?

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Grimly Curmudgeon

You might want to check with Champ on that...

 

[Heavy Metal]

you keep telling yourself that.

My main objection to metal is that it's hardly changed in 25 years,
and therefore inherantly boring.

I used to quite like some of it in about 1982.

 

Gak!

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Dave

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I don't need to.

As is correct spelling, I see.

I didn't really care about music in 1982. I was 11. I like it now.
Anyway, why change perfection?

 

It's a bit unfair to complain that a genre doesn't change, isn't it?
If it did, it wouldn't stay the same genre for long.

I don't thing <picks example at randon> reggae has changed much in the
last 25 years, but I don't think anyone expects it to, either.

 

People in the '20s thought the Charlestown was "perfection" - would
you prefer we were still listening to that sort of thing now?

Hint: it's called "progress".

 

Nonsense. Or would you say "dance" music is the same today as it was
25 or even 20 years ago. It's not.

Can you name even one extant metal or nu-metal group who don't sound
fundamentally like their tracks could have been recorded in the 80s?

Oh - good choice - a genre that hasn't been particularly popular for
about 20 years, and the heyday of which was more like 35 years ago...

 

No idea. The category "Dance music" didn't exists before about 1988,
did it?

Well, I don't really listen to metal much now, either. However, I
would argue that the likes of Limp Bizkit and their ilk have moved the
genre on. Maybe not a lot, but enough to tell the diference.

I think I could probably tell 70s, 80s and 90s metal apart, listening
to examples that I'd not heard before.

Curses. You noticed my random example wasn's particularly randon

 

I think with carefully chosen examples, you couldn't.

 

darsy

But the same would apply to the genre of music you seem to prefer.

 

what genre would that be, then?

 

Well, sure. But I think there is a typical feel to each decade.

 

Certainly sounds that way to me. It's still crap, anyway.

Not Popular? It's the single most popular form of music in the world!

OK, I know it isn't, but it is still hugely popular, and with its
modern variants has crossed over into many other 'genres'. And yes
Champ, it's changed hugely over that time.

Think about some of the 'dub' forms of the eary 80s, LKJ et al, which
arguably gave rise to rap, hip-hop, etc. Compare that with, say,
1990's 'ragga' and while there are still many underlying similarities
it's clearly moved on an awful lot in that time.

I don't think I agree that music has to stay the same to remain within
its genre, either, as reggae clearly shows.

 

darsy

Well, I think I'm not totally wrong assuming that you have a preference
for electronically generated tunes [1]. Now I believe I could find something
of this genre, in each of the last 3 decades and you'd have difficulties
placing i, unless you happen to know the tune of course. I'd be happy to
try it. Send me a representative mp3 sample of one of your current
favourites
and I return three samples.


[1] Amongst other styles

 

that's not a genre, any more than "guitar-based music" is a genre.
It's also not necessarily true.

your catchment area is too large. Find me 3 different Drum'n'Bass
tracks and I'll identify which decade they're from. Or, given that
that might prove tricky, 3 different techno tracks.

 

darsy

Will try!

 

There has been plenty of change. Rock splintered into many forms,
Metal itself covering lots of sub-genres. Recent years have seen more
of a fusion with hip-hop, rap and funk; the whole thing is constantly
evolving.

Progress gave us radiation poisoning, the hole in the ozone layer and
the expansion of the Sahara, not to mention the extinction of
countless species of plants and animals. Progress isn't always good.
Nor is stagnation, but life isn't simple unless you're an amoeba.