Power deteriorate - how to avoid (Newbie)

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by YC, Oct 22, 2003.

  1. YC

    YC Guest

    Hi,

    Is it true that the more your ride your bike, the more power of the bike
    will deteriorate ?

    Is there a way to avoid this ?

    Brand of the bike: Suzuki
    Model: GZ125


    YC
     
    YC, Oct 22, 2003
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    Steve H Guest

    Engine output will rise when the engine is run in from new. It will then
    level out until engine wear becomes a factor and will then start to drop.

    If the bike is used with reasonable care and serviced dilligently to the
    manufacturers schedule (or even more often), using good quality oils of the
    recommended grades then your engine will have about as good a life as it can
    get, although I have no idea what a 'good life' is for the GZ125

    Steve H
     
    Steve H, Oct 22, 2003
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    Mark Olson Guest

    What bike is that manual for? Was it a US market bike or an import?
    I've never seen anything like that so explicitly spelled out in any of
    my owner's manuals.
    Statistically speaking, 20k miles in one year (IIRC the SV comes with a
    one year warranty in the US, at least mine did) is a lot of miles, since
    few owners put that much on a bike in three years, let alone one year.
    Mine has 22k miles on it in three riding seasons and apart from the normal
    wear and tear on the bodywork, and some chain wear, it is still like new.
    I fully expect it to go 100k miles without an engine overhaul.
    Even small bore bikes can rack up *very* respectable mileage if they
    are well maintained. Most bikes don't get much, if any, maintenance.
    I suspect that bigger engined bikes tolerate this lack of maintenance
    a little better because they aren't as highly stressed.
     
    Mark Olson, Oct 22, 2003
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  4. I had a Honda CB125 single with 55,000 miles up.

    If they're cared for, Jap bikes last and last. Trouble is, as you say,
    they get neglected. Treated like a wristwatch.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 22, 2003
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    Brent Guest

    Nicely expressed.
    Gotta agree. We've owned a number of bikes, none newer than 18 years old,
    and in all cases, they ran well beyond the distances from Kaybearjr's GSXR
    chart, but we specifically sought out well-cared for bikes. (In fact, to the
    best of my knowledge, those we sold are STILL running for their new owners)
    .. During our ongoing search for old gems, we've seen some amazing trash,
    very consistent with Kaybearjr's chart. Not sure about the engines, but
    there was a lot of non-engine stuff that had deteriorated: rusted frames and
    tanks, frozen chains, seized brakes, buggered cables, torn seats, busted
    signals/mirrors/levers, etc. Here in the great white north, the common
    denominator for well preserved bikes seems to be winter (and summer) storage
    indoors.

    Here's a directory of CX500s that provides an alternate perspective: the top
    14 listings all have over 100,000 miles on them. The top listing has over
    1,144,000 km on it. We have one, (yep, you're right, its fugly) and I
    wonder if it simply has an over-designed engine (especially when compared to
    the VT500 engine that seems to have replaced it). But it addresses that
    question of what is better, pushrods or camchains, by using both.

    brent
     
    Brent, Oct 23, 2003
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    Brent Guest

    Brent, Oct 23, 2003
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    Brent Guest

    You had a water buffalo? lucky guy!
    There's a guy here who rides his to work most days. He carries a rag which
    he ties around the exhaust manifold when he parks. I'm guessing you know
    the reason!!. Anyway, what a great, old bike (in an eye-of-the-beholder
    sort of way)

    I'm sure you remember the old Yamaha 100 twin jets. (late 60s) Don't recall
    ever seeing one of those with more than 4000 miles on it. You?

    Brent
     
    Brent, Oct 23, 2003
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    OH- Guest

    If this is how Suzuki estimate the quality of their own bikes, I'll keep
    looking in other directions when it's time to get a new one.

    Scary !
     
    OH-, Oct 23, 2003
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    SL Guest

    Agreed! My '00 SV650 has (as of tonight riding home from work), 18,182
    miles on it. Scratches-head-and-tries-to-think: I guess this is my
    almost-3rd year of riding *this* bike as much as possible, since when I
    got it the '01s were out, but I couldn't find one close (within 250
    miles). So, I took delivery of a '00 late in the season. And YES, we
    have "seasons", i.e. winter. I can usually "reliably ride" from mid-May
    to late-October. Otherwise it snows! Early spring and late fall
    require layers....

    Anyway! Still runs like a "Swiss watch". ;-) Maybe a "Rolex"...
    Anyway, other than one chain, 3 rear tires (one due to a flat, but it
    was getting thin on the tread anyway...), and it's on its 2nd front
    tire.....NO WORRIES. Maintenance has been the "regular sort", including
    valves for its first time (they were still in spec., but are now set up
    on the loose-side of spec.). Ride it to work, ride it on Sunday rides,
    charity rides, grocery runs (tho' not many groceries...), AND take trips
    of over 1,600 miles on it every year (thank heavens for gel seats).
    Unfortunately, making-a-living cuts into my riding time, some years
    worse than others (like this year)!

    My experience with my Kawy 550 (small bore, right?) has been similar.
    Stove-bolt reliable. Do I ride 'em hard? Sometimes. Maintenance is
    the key!
     
    SL, Oct 25, 2003
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    OH- Guest

    I don't really think there is anything wrong with the bikes, I just found it
    funny
    that a company would put such a perfect shot in their own foot.
     
    OH-, Oct 25, 2003
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    Mark Olson Guest

    Reverse psychology, innit? They claim such a ridiculously low expected
    life for their bikes that nearly 100% will exceed it, thus convincing
    the gullible that their quality is very high...

    That said, I am very happy with the quality of my SV650S. I think it
    is an extremely good design, and a very well made bike.
     
    Mark Olson, Oct 25, 2003
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    James Clark Guest


    You mean like their "Pointless Electronic Ignition"?
     
    James Clark, Oct 25, 2003
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