Potential back end problems

If, as has been suggested, I were to put a B12 dog bone onto the bindit
what, if any, difference would this make to the operation of rear
suspension and would I actually notice anyway?

 

Doesnotcompute wrote

Jack down is what I am looking for but I want to know if it is just a
case of bolting it on and riding happily off into the sunset or if I
have to faff around a lot more besides.

 

I wouldn't mind a jack down kit on my one too, after riding the FZR for
a while, the Bandit feels more top heavy / sit on, rather than a sit in
type bike like the FZR. I may just lower the preload on the rear shock
so it squats a bit more.

 

Muck wrote

I can lower the bloody preload all I want and it makes fek all
difference. Bike suspension just isn't designed for slim trim
lightweight bodies like mine.

 

That's the puppy. A nice man from SUKBOG did me a pair of dogbones
for my B12, which were ~15mm shorter than stock and raised the rear
~35mm.
Later research showed that the Bandit 6 dogbones are ~15mm shorter
than the B12 items, meaning he didn't need to make them up any more.

Considering the above and applying the Ginger Law of Reciprocality -
not to mention what goes up must go down again - fitting a pair of
Bandit 12 dogbones at ~15mm longer would drop the rear of the B6 by
~35mm. However - I have not done this before and I don't know anybody
who has - so there may be ground clearance issues, especially when
auvache bumps up the kerb in front of the Post Office on Thursdays.

Steve: assuming the Law of Reciprocality applies would infer that a
lowered Bandit 6 would turn in less willingly, but otoh be amazingly
stable in a straight line. I can't think of any suspension problems
that may be caused, but it may be worth having a good look about,
particularly around the swingarm pivot area, to see if anything may
foul as the suspension compressess starting from a lower point.
IYSWIM. Apart from that it's a case of suck it and see.

 

Would lowering the back make the thing harder to get on the centrestand?
Or do sprots bikes not have 'em any more to save cost^h^h^h^hweight?

 

Pip wrote:

He could always slide the forks up through the yokes a little bit if the
bike doesn't turn quickly enough, mabye?

 

You could just ride off into the sunset, but be aware the steering will
be a tad slower as lowering the rear will effectively increase the
front end rake. You can slide the forks up through the yokes a bit to
compensate if you feel the need.

Other things to bear in mind are you'll have a bit less ground
clearance so peg scraping may be an issue, but I'm sure you knew that.
Putting it on the centrestand will also be harder if it's got one.

 

Angle grinder, ykims.

 

Guess it would, yes. More to lift and further to push - easily
ameliorated by putting the stand in a hole or a bit of wood under the
rear wheel.

This is however, a Bandit 600 - sporty don't enter into it.

 

Doesnotcompute wrote

They want a tenner before you can see the website? They can just ****
right off then.

 

Aye. He may want to affix a slider to the collector box at this point
though - and give up making a grand entrance to the Post Office and
walk in instead.

As a complete aside, I read about a crash caused by suspension
fucking-about-with. Chap bought an ex-show bike that was radical in
the extreme - back end jacked waaay up, front end dropped through. It
was only after the crash that totalled the bike, nearly totalling the
rider, that the extent of induced rakishness was discovered - up 4" at
the rear, down all the way - 2" at the front.

The bike had never actually been ridden before - just big-bored,
nickel-plated, painted and polished. So nobody knew that as soon as a
rider tried to put it round a corner the front end would tuck under
quite that viciously. Hmmm.

 

You've got to be a sport to ride one?

 

Preston Kemp wrote

I do so hate to be critical when folks are trying to help but...

What do you think I am, a fucking race rider? Who gives a flying ****
about steering speed in the real world of everyday road riding? I am a
bloody sight more concerned that I have to pick where I stop carefully
so that I can get a foot down on the ground safely at the traffic
lights. I need that far more often than I need lightening fast
steering.

I could go on, really I could.

How much? Seriously now how much?

Not an issue but a positive bonus. Save me a fortune in angle grinder
disks that would.

Putting it on the centre stand is something that is done by spanna
monkeys.

 

Pip wrote

See my reply to PK on the matter.

Although I do have to ask the question of how much and would a hooligan
of my modest talents even notice?

Worth noting.

I fear this may be the case. Any space clear in your garage in the
coming weeks?

 

Mebbe not at all - but the difference it made to my B12 (the other way
round) was very noticeable. Having to go stright on at every
roundabout could become a little wearing.

Driveway, certainly. 'Bone swap should only take 20 minutes.

 

You'd be amazed - seriously. Even half a degree increase is noticeable.
You'll get used to it very quickly, & may prefer it, or not as the case
may be.

By the same amount as the back is lowered, give or take. Of course it
may still feel different as sliding the forks up reduces the wheelbase
too, but I don't think I'll go there - I couldn't take the abuse

 

So much for the "night of passion", then.

 

I've just put a 120/70 rather than a 120/60 tyre on the front of the
bike. It now won't steer at all because the increased tyre size has
slowed the steering down that dramatically

Just because you don't race, don't think you won't notice or that it
won't be a problem

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You have failed to take repetitivity into account.