Possible VIC sticker tax?

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:27:01 +1100

Thanks Nev, passed on.

Still doesn't answer the question "does this apply to aftermarket pipes"
though.

IS it that they've never enforced it but could?

Zebee

 

So, other than the blitzes on the Old Road, do you know of anyone that has
been hit with this tax?

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:09:41 GMT

yes. There's been at least one case been to court about not having a
sticker in the last month.

I don't know if there are others in the pipeline.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:11:30 +1100

Nope. IN fact there is likely to be sticker blanks available in NSW
soon.

Zebee

 

Nev.. said....

My Staintunes say "94db(a) at 4,750rpm Honda CBR1000"

Hopefully, that'll keep 'em happy. Although I'm a bit worried about the
actual level...

 

Zebee Johnstone said....

Then I'd argue this via the ACCC. Imagine the consumer furore if car
owners had to fit factory sourced exhausts to their vehicles and at
elevated prices? I can't see why bikes should be excluded from the basic
tenets of the Trade Practices Act.

 

Zebee Johnstone said....

It's fairly well common knowledge, at least for those riders who've been
pinged in EPA road blocks (enforced by Victoria Police in attendance).

Here it's a $500 on the spot fine for noisy exhausts.

 

Zebee Johnstone said....

Doing some more research on this. Found an old aus.motorcycles article
that someone's archived.

http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/moto/UNFILED/NOISE-LIMITS

Given its date (1996) I don't know if the same levels apply today.

And it's the only document online that I can find that states the
required levels. Vicroads, for example, mentions ADR39, but doesn't say
what the levels are, only that it pertains to noise levels for bikes.
DOTARS, the federal government department that administers ADRS says
that I can buy the CDROM....

Anyway, I'm hoping that someone rich like Nev.. or Goaty will be able to
challenge this issue in the full bench of the Victorian Supreme Court,
with a view to clarifying once and for all, whether our aftermarket
pipes have to be labeled or not....

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:17:54 GMT

You are required to have a sticker that matches the pipe. If the one it
came with doesn't, then you have to find one that does.

NO one is stopping you buying a legal pipe, but you have to have this
sticker.

Note that this is entirely separate from the noise issue, and it isn't
said who provides this sticker, just that it must be present.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:17:54 GMT

If you get a bastard cop, it won't...
because the pipes can be removed from the bike without defacing the
information on them. Unlike NSW which says the pipes must be labelled,
the Vic regs say the bike must. With a label that can't be removed.

I bet a bastard copper looking for an excuse would try that on. Now
whether a magistrate would let them get away with it... that's going to
depend. If I was a patch club member I wouldn' t bet on it, but a fine
upstanding citizen might win.

Zebee

 

The good ol' "Ways and Means Act of [pick a year]"

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'81 Suzuki GS450-s
'87 BMW K100RT

www.dmcsc.org.au

 

Surely that couldn't be considered a 'readily visible' position?

Mark.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:01:00 +1100

That was my point.

That it passed an ADR check in a silly place would be a good way to
fight a ticket for another bike "But here's this unmodded bike that
passed ADRs which has identical wording and my sticker's just as visible
as its is, therefore "visible" must have a new meaning"

As I say, whether it will fly is going to depend on the magistrate.

Zebee

 

Geez Martin, I bet nobody's thought of that already !

JL
(Alright I'm being sarky,but next subject the bleedin' obvious, and yes for the
record the ACCC are very interested however they have no direct power as the EPA
act is somehow not under the ACCCs ambit I forget why now, but they can still do
a report critical of the NSW EPA/ NSW Govt. which carries some persuasive weight
if not any legal weight)