Political naivety

I wondered about that but...

The statistics were used to present Germany in a worse light, hence I
discounted the BNP. It wouldn't, however, be the first time I've been
wrong.

 

Saying "no" to Europe isn't saying "yes" to independence, it's saying "yes"
to Airstrip One.

 

You brought history into it. I love Germany and very much like
the Germans, but prefer home-grown politicians I can vote for.

There's more of them than us so we should allow them more of a
say in our affairs than we ourselves have?

Nah. But I'll be interested to see what they uncover once they've
settled into office. Start clearing your desk Neil Kinnock.

riccip

 

riccip wrote

Be sure, it would. Consider for a moment the reaction of the 300
million plus united peoples of Europe to the cowardly traitors living
just offshore if such a thing were to happen. Do you honestly think
they would merely wave us politely goodbye?

 

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Er, no we didn't. We were already members of the EEC and the
referendum was *after* the fact. And the EEC was a very different
animal to what the EU is today and what our lords and masters have
planned for it in the future. It was and is a big con.

 

I see European business constrained by unrealistic employment
legislation we abandoned twenty years ago. That means a return to
strikes and higher unemployment combined with an uncompetitive
economy at the mercy of "one size fits all" financial policies.

Not in my name, nor the majority of our people.

I think you are deluding yourself if you believe the British
people will wear it, however NL attempts to sugar the pill.
Personally I will vote no because I believe it's a dangerous
experiment cobbled together by misguided idealists that has no
chance of working long term.

riccip

 

That idea appeals to you because you are used to a European
Parliament dominated by left wing politics. Have you considered
what could happen if it were to swing the other way, say if a
manipulative yet charismatic German politician inspired the
people with promises of a greater Europe? Don't say it couldn't
happen. The EU system is already corrupt to it's very core.

riccip

 

I didn't bring history into it.

You stated, and I quote,

 

gomez wrote

It wasn't so much as a con as being economical with the truth.

Those who were preaching in favour of initially joining and further
future expansions of the European Ideal were in no doubt that it would
eventually lead to some form of European Nation State they just didn't
mention it very much but instead played upon the benefits of
unrestricted trade to other similarly developed countries or the unity
of the workers depending upon the audience they were talking to.

In any event the shakers and movers in the pro camp were to a man agreed
that everything else aside it would mean the strengthening of the
principles of Universal Suffrage and Liberal Democracy to which our
society had only recently turned. While the no camp seemed mainly to
consist of those to whom, a generation before, we had curtsied and
doffed our caps whilst being respectful and mindful of our manners
because they were our betters.

 

Oh I see. Nodody can use the "J-word" now without incurring the
suspicions of the politically correct thought police. But hang
on. The PC view is that BNP = Nazi, and Nazis deny the holocaust
don't they?

riccip

 

riccip wrote

If only it were.

 

Brilliant - Young Hitler returns. I can't wait to be given my Reich
manufactured machine gun. Can I shoot you first?

 

They did more than that. They did (and still do) actively deny it.

 

I didn't bring history into it.

They should have more say in those issues which we choose to ceed to the
Europe Parliament and decide in conjunction with the other members.

*sigh* They're a bunch of fuckwits who will achieve nothing. I ask
you, Kilroy-Silk and Joan Collins.

 

Personally I doubt they would even give a monkey's although
they'd miss our net contributions, not to mention the right to
plunder our fisheries. However some of those nations would be
inspired to join us.

Anyway if they're that dangerous why the hell do you insist we
get into bed with them, permanently?

riccip

 

riccip wrote

In your name, my name and every other one of the 60 million people who
live in these Sceptred British Isles. This is precisely why he is
there. By an accident of history and bad timing he happens to be Prime
Minister of this country at the time when it is happening, which is why
they invited him. If they had decided to hold the talks next year it
could well be Gordon Brown doing the talking on our behalf.

Wear what? We have already said we will, years ago, and now the peoples
of Europe are sitting down and drawing up the plans for what they see as
a way forward in unity and peace and prosperity. What we get to vote on
is the detail how we are going to do it.

In what way is it dangerous? Which of the proposals for inclusion cause
you fear?

I can't disagree with that.

In various forms it has been around and evolving for 40 years now and
seems to be going from strength to strength despite the best efforts of
a tiny yet powerful minority to disrupt it and return us to the good old
days of feudalism.

 

Because the first group of people you listed don't have two heads and
eat babies. HTH.

 

"PC view is that BNP=Nazi".

Well it looks like Sweller was right.

 

Nice. Top marks.