Political naivety

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Eiron, Jun 19, 2004.

  1. Eiron

    MattG Guest

    Have you not considered that the reason our "EU comrades" get away
    with foisting rubbish on to us it because we, as consumers, are
    prepared to accept it?

    These are businesses and as such are attempting to make a profit. If
    the general public is happy to purchase poor quality merchandise from
    shops then that is what the shops will stock. If, on the other hand,
    we didn't buy the rubbish, and instead bought quality produce from
    those places that sold it, at the corresponding higher price, then the
    other shops would begin to stock the better quality merchandise.

    If european suppliers can find a market for rubbish then they will
    sell it, if we are that market, then that is our own fault for being
    prepared to accept it. It's not as though there is a lack of options
    available to us. In my own small town there are two large
    supermarkets, two independent butchers and a farmers market. I can buy
    rubbish or I can buy good quality produce, the same options are
    available to you. Yes, quality costs. Not everyone may be able to
    afford this, however, most can.

    As for them insisting "on only our very best", I'd do the same. If I
    was going to the trouble of importing produce I would want to ensure
    it was good quality.

    Do not forget that trade within europe is performed by companies,
    their aim is to make a profit.
    Selling farm produce locally may well be a wonderful thing,
    unfortunately, it's not financially viable. Farming is a business. The
    days of farming for fun and pleasure have never existed, the idea of
    the jolly farmer wandering across the yard selling a few eggs to
    supplement his income are fantasy. Yes, selling large amounts of
    produce to a local supermarket is a nice idea. Doesn't work though.
    Consider the way in which a large organisation such a supermarket
    *chain* is run.

    I'm not saying that the way things are is good, or even the best way.
    I don't think that we, as a nation, could survive without strong
    european links, preferably being right at the heart of europe. What
    would your solution to the CAP be?

    <European limitations on free speech>
    <snip>

    Ok, how about looking a little closer to home. How about Clause 28?
    You remember, that little matter of not being able to "promote
    homosexuality". I realise that it has now been scrapped, but it is
    just one small example, how does that square with your assertion that
    "Free speech is a right in this country"? Or doesn't it matter,
    because that's about queers?
    Most of us are aware of the issues, dangers and possibilities that are
    available to us, and are prepared to make judgements accordingly. You,
    unfortunately, seem to have closed your mind and do not see anything
    other than that you wish to see.
     
    MattG, Jun 22, 2004
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  2. Eiron

    MattG Guest

    Yeah, 'cos Burnt is a well known optimist.
    I would vote for the party that I felt best represented my views and
    wishes. The origin of the leader of that party is irrelevant to me.
     
    MattG, Jun 22, 2004
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  3. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    Have you not considered that the whole idea's a complete Fallacy? What
    makes you think that the UK gets 'foisted off' with inferior prodicts?
    I've certainly never seen any evidence of it. Most differences between
    produce in the UK and France, for example, are due entirely to
    customer demand - it may be that you'd prefer more tasty tomatoes, for
    example, but the consuming public wants tomatoes that _look_ nice.
    It's all about consumer demand, and how it's manipulated by suppliers,
    and **** all to do with the EU.
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  4. Eiron

    Cab Guest

    Ginge bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along the
    lines of:
    Is that better?

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    Cab :^) - almost as fast as G.i.n.g.e.
    GSX 1400 - 'Tarts Handbag' (tm) Bike, dead 550/4 Rat
    UKRMMA#10 (KoTL), IbW#015, Bob#4, POTM#3

    P.S. Remove your_head from the cab. ICQ: 83023471
     
    Cab, Jun 22, 2004
  5. Eiron

    Cab Guest

    Ace bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along the lines
    of:
    I've never bothered with the upper-case ç, "Ç" - 0199

    --
    Cab :^) - almost as fast as G.i.n.g.e.
    GSX 1400 - 'Tarts Handbag' (tm) Bike, dead 550/4 Rat
    UKRMMA#10 (KoTL), IbW#015, Bob#4, POTM#3

    P.S. Remove your_head from the cab. ICQ: 83023471
     
    Cab, Jun 22, 2004
  6. Eiron

    Ginge Guest

    Heh, that's fine
     
    Ginge, Jun 22, 2004
  7. Eiron

    MattG Guest

    Simply restating learned facts is usually insufficient to pass an
    exam, ime.
     
    MattG, Jun 22, 2004
  8. Eiron

    mups Guest

    MattG says...
    You've never done an MCSE then?
     
    mups, Jun 22, 2004
  9. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    or 128 - Ç. never add the f5rst zer6 s6 5t's a d5fferent range
    a3t6gether. Heh, just re-read that - dun't numlock do funny stuff on a
    laptop keyboard?
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  10. Eiron

    Ginge Guest

    They're hardly facts, a fair percentage of the questions are focussed on
    regurgitating marketing propaganda....
     
    Ginge, Jun 22, 2004
  11. Eiron

    riccip Guest

    Ah, well no wonder you're smiling then you clever chap. By
    keeping your capital in GB Pounds you've effectively gained a
    small fortune since you departed these shores by *not* having the
    confidence to turn it into Euros.

    Again if you are that confident why aren't you rushing to convert
    your capital into Euros? Same goes for anyone else here who
    believes the Euro is gonna perform over the next couple of years?

    Could it be that despite all the hype about Germany's recovery
    and the feverish attempts to talk it up coming from everyone the
    other side of the channel you have that vague, uneasy feeling
    it's all hogwash?

    Play it sensibly. Either speculate with the Dollar or keep your
    money in Pounds. Don't say you weren't warned.

    riccip
     
    riccip, Jun 22, 2004
  12. Eiron

    MattG Guest

    Yes. I don't support the idea that all we receive is shit, there are
    certainly difference in the quality of produce received in some
    places. The main point of what I was saying was that if we receive
    crap, it's because we are prepared to buy it. I didn't phrase it
    particularly well.
    That is what I was trying to say. Customer demand dictates what is
    sold.
     
    MattG, Jun 22, 2004
  13. Eiron

    riccip Guest

    Can't honestly see that occurring. Having nailed their colours to
    the mast it would be political suicide if they did. But if that
    were to happen they'd still have the problem of getting past a
    referendum. Having already rubbished the constitution a "yes"
    vote seems even less likely.

    riccip
     
    riccip, Jun 22, 2004
  14. Eiron

    Ben Blaney Guest

    You fucking idiot.

    Before taking a job with an American company, paid in US Dollars,
    converted to Qatar Riyals into a local bank account, I took currency
    advice from a mate who's an extremely good ForEx broker. I would
    suggest that anyone reading your posts doesn't take a blind bit of
    notice of you, because you don't know what you're talking about.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 22, 2004
  15. Eiron

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Yeah, Christ, even a fuckwit like me got one of them.

    Think I've missed the boat on upgrading to 2003. Wondering whether to
    bother with the rigmarole of doing all the exams, just for the sake of
    keeping my hand in passing tests. I don't /need/ it, and I don't
    really have time. Is it easy?
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 22, 2004
  16. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    You truly are an idiot of outstanding proportions, aren't you? My
    sterling is now worth 10% _less_ than it was when I moved here.
    My decisions are nothing to do with any ability to predict the future
    - that seems to be your role, though you've only managed to quote
    completely contradictory figures so far, and haven't admitted how
    stupid you've been.

    I've had enough of this tiddler now - anyone want to take the keepnet,
    or shall we let it go?
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  17. Eiron

    mups Guest

    Ben Blaney says...
    I got my MCSE in NT4 when I thought the writing was on the wall for VMS
    and I'm no way an NT expert. I did a couple of bits in 2000 but haven't
    bothered doing any others as they seemed, well, a bit worthless. I must
    get round to finishing my Oracle DBA stuff sometime though.
     
    mups, Jun 22, 2004
  18. Eiron

    Ginge Guest

    IMHO nowadays it's not worth the effort, even though it is shamefully
    easy.

    I did one back in the days of NT 3.51 before the days of fast track
    courses, kept up to date until the Windows 2000 exams came out but I've
    now deliberately let everything lapse as they really aren't covering
    enough new ground between releases and it's no use now I'm not hands-on.

    Specify the version against your MCSE and instead just add some
    reference projects to your CV to show more current skills. Job done.

    I'd quite like CCIE if I were to invest in IT training, they're still
    very much worth doing.
     
    Ginge, Jun 22, 2004
  19. Eiron

    riccip Guest

    What if there were dozens of other parties that neither you or
    anyone in this country could vote for (or against) but they were
    going to get in anyway? That how the European Parliament works.

    Take Kilroy-Silk for example. How many of the 320,000,000 people
    from the EU's other 24 nations voted, or had any opportunity to
    vote, for him or UKIP? Answer: NONE. Yet there are a dozen UKIP
    MEPs over there intent on wrecking the EU.

    Imagine if the Euro currency failed catastrophically and threw
    Europe into turmoil, creating similar circumstances to those that
    swept the Nazis into power. The same thing could easily happen in
    the European Parliament as it did in the Reichstag. A well
    organised Fascist movement could conquer Europe overnight and
    there's absolutely nothing anyone could do about it under the
    proposed EU constitution.

    riccip
     
    riccip, Jun 22, 2004
  20. Eiron

    mups Guest

    Ginge says...
    A CCIE's a bit harder to get than a MCSE though isn't it?
     
    mups, Jun 22, 2004
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