Political naivety

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Eiron, Jun 19, 2004.

  1. Eiron

    Salad Dodger Guest

    Moving to Bath, perchance?

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    Salad Dodger, Jun 22, 2004
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    Fr Jack Guest

    Bugger off! ;-)
     
    Fr Jack, Jun 22, 2004
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  3. Eiron

    Salad Dodger Guest

    Eh? Anyone can say anything they like, except for when they're not
    allowed to?

    Hardly anything to crow about, is it?

    ITYF doing stuff without prosecution, as long as it's not against the
    law, is fairly uniform practice.
    It was hardly a "Bill of Rights" for the common man, though, was it?

    to quote the Royal Family website...

    "The Bill was designed to ensure Parliament could function free from
    royal interference. The Sovereign was forbidden from suspending or
    dispensing with laws passed by Parliament, or imposing taxes without
    Parliamentary consent. The Sovereign was not allowed to interfere with
    elections or freedom of speech, and proceedings in Parliament were not
    to be questioned in the courts or in any body outside Parliament
    itself. (This was the basis of modern parliamentary privilege.)

    The Sovereign was required to summon Parliament frequently (the
    Triennial Act of 1694 reinforced this by requiring the regular
    summoning of Parliaments). Parliament tightened control over the
    King's expenditure; the financial settlement reached with William and
    Mary deliberately made them dependent upon Parliament, as one Member
    of Parliament said, 'when princes have not needed money they have not
    needed us'. Finally, the King was forbidden to maintain a standing
    army in time of peace without Parliament's consent.

    The Bill of Rights added further defences of individual rights. The
    King was forbidden to establish his own courts or to act as a judge
    himself, and the courts were forbidden to impose excessive bail or
    fines, or cruel and unusual punishments. However, the Sovereign could
    still summon and dissolve Parliament, appoint and dismiss Ministers,
    veto legislation and declare war."
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    Salad Dodger, Jun 22, 2004
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    Verdigris Guest

    I reckon Milan probably _does_ have more in common with Manchester, or
    maybe Birmingham than it does with Rome, language aside.
     
    Verdigris, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    No.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 22, 2004
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    riccip Guest

    It is in Britain, yes, which demonstrates the freedoms of
    expression you are taking for granted. As you know you can post
    just about anything here and get away with it. Watch this: "Tony
    Blair is a **** and fucks the Queen up the shitter". See?

    Try something similar in Australia, Belgium, France or Germany
    and you may just get your collar felt if they can track you
    down. Following an international summit in 1996 these countries
    opted for online censorship under a variety of pretexts ranging
    from "pornography" to "terrorism" and "incorrect political
    opinion".

    You saw them in action during the France vs Yahoo court case.
    However another summit earlier this year in Paris extends this
    online censorship throughout the EU. We may be safe at the moment
    but as the screw tightens online expression of Euroscepticism may
    become a thing of the past. No doubt you would consider that a
    good idea.
    Well what did you expect, a line inserted about the right to wear
    flat caps and eat jam butties every Sunday? Like the Magna Carta
    the Bill Of Rights assured the handing of power from the
    sovereign to a parliament of the people. True, in those times the
    common man had no vote but that was pretty much the same the
    world over.

    Although there were no lefties in 1698 parliament did concern
    itself with the rights of ordinary people. You should still
    remember it was parliament that, for example, abolished slavery.
    The freedoms you enjoy today were granted by parliament. It was
    parliament that eventually gave the vote to the common man, and
    woman.

    Those ancient documents assured certain rights and freedoms to
    all inhabitants of this country - natural justice for the Common
    Man and the right to trial by jury, the principles of Habeas
    Corpus where a man is innocent until proven guilty, and
    protection within these islands from foreign powers. These rights
    are precious, they are our birthright, yet we are giving them up
    in blind faith that a faceless beaurocrasy of corrupt and
    unelected foreign officials can do a better job.

    riccip
     
    riccip, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ace Guest

    Had a lovely Ostritch roast the other week - I didn't believe the
    cooking instructions which said something like 15 minutes for a kilo,
    but in retrospect it would have been even better somewhat less cooked
    - I'd been using a meat thermometer and made the mistake of asssuming
    it wanted to be at least as hot as 'beef, medium'[1], whereas in fact
    it seems like it was probably perfectly cooked much lower than that,
    perhaps as low as 55deg.

    Anyway, it was really tender and lean, not at all salty, and went well
    with the port-fortified gravy we made with its juices. Lovely, it was.

    [1] 65deg, IIRC.
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  8. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    Hooray, he's still here! And still posting absolute drivel! Means I'll
    be laughing all day today too:)

    Anyway, as I've been living in Euro-land since before the new currency
    was introduced, and still have capital in the UK, I've been making a
    point of following exchange rate fluctuations. Read the following and
    learn something.

    The pound/Euro plot since 01/01 goes something like this (not a
    terribly accurate rendition, scale-wise, but it shows the trends),
    starting at about 1.6 Euros/£ and currently at about 1.5. The lowest
    point about a year ago was less than 1.4, and the highest point 6
    months after introduction was 1.67.


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    So yeah, it's quite clear that the pounds a much better long-term bet
    than the euro, right.
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  9. Eiron

    Ben Blaney Guest

    I'd be interested in seeing that.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 22, 2004
  10. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    Aye. As I understand it, it's pretty much the same everywhere. The
    initial 'change them at any bank' period varied, but they're still
    duty bound to honour all the old currencies - like old UK stuff, it
    will never cease to be legal tender.
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
  11. Eiron

    Ace Guest

    I rarely understand a word of what any politician's talking about.
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ginge Guest

    Watch out for sir.tony!
     
    Ginge, Jun 22, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    What? WHAT?

    I for one would like to hear the full story on this, Steve.
     
    Champ, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Sweet. Can we firebomb Terry Brown's house while we're at it?
     
    Ben Blaney, Jun 22, 2004
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    sweller Guest

    Me too.

    I suspect it's the more unpleasant end of being 'in-service' where it was
    quite common for permission to marry having to be sought from the Master
    (often denied) and compensation to be made in the event of leaving
    service.
     
    sweller, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ben Guest

    Actually, that's libel and you could be prosecuted for it.
     
    Ben, Jun 22, 2004
  17. Eiron

    Ben Guest

    Ah, yes.
     
    Ben, Jun 22, 2004
  18. Eiron

    Cab Guest

    Ben Blaney bored us all completely to death with wittery prose along
    the lines of:
    <G> Get yourself a frog keyboard. Then you can tap away to your hearts
    content. Bloody annoying when you want to tap numbers though as you have
    to hit "shift" all the time. Thank God for number pads. Also when you
    chop and change between English/US and French keyboards. Prolly the
    same for Paul Carmichael.

    BTW, you got my last email with my contact details, I hope?
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    P.S. Remove your_head from the cab. ICQ: 83023471
     
    Cab, Jun 22, 2004
  19. Eiron

    Ginge Guest

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Mate, could I be so cheeky as to ask you to drop that bit only my
    newsreader is scoring all your posts as if they were replies to me, and
    I really can't be bothered re-writing my news scoring rules. <g>
     
    Ginge, Jun 22, 2004
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    Ace Guest

    Or just memorise the most common one's ascii codes and use alt+numpad.
    S'wot I do.

    130=é
    138=è
    136=ê
    131=â
    133=à
    149=ò
    135=ç (not that most froggies bother)
     
    Ace, Jun 22, 2004
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