Political naivety

Have you ever _been_ to Clywd?

 

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:29:43 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

Just as an aside, one of my colleagues had a silly motorcycle accident
recently - just overballanced at walking pace. Unfortunately, his wife -
riding pillion - hurt her knee. The wonderful NHS told her to rest up and
it'd get better. No X-rays or anything were taken and they weren't at all
happy with the experience. So she went back home to get it treated.

Fortunately the Brazillian medical service seems to have done a rather
better job.

 

But that's almost besides the point. For good or ill, there will be a
European super-state of some form or other. The only question is whether
we want to be a part of it, and exercise some control over it, or just be
an increasinglyh irrelevent appendage.

 

Human rights are for *everybody*. Even *convicted* terrorists, and
*especially* those who have been accused of crimes, no matter how heinous.

 

ROFL. Sorry sunshine. If you want the Euro that badly you'll have
to move abroad. If I were you I'd still keep your savings in GBP

riccip

 

Minority? Pull you head out of the sand and turn on your TV. All
you see is Kilroy crowing in triumph. You've had your day and
stuffed it, nobody is listening any more. All that remains is to
decide whether we stay in Europe on the fringes or pull out
altogether. The latter is beginning to look attractive.

I can imagine you were giggling your socks off when the MEP
results came in. Fortunately it'll take more than a handful of
pseuds to swing this one as most minds are already made up and
you've nothing to offer the apathetic voter. Your main asset,
"trust me" Tony, has become embarrassingly transparent. Come the
next general election you'll find your case consigned to the
dustbin of history where it belongs.

riccip

 

Imagine adding another 6000 MPs to our national parliament who
none of us could vote for or influence in any way. Then you begin
to get a true reflection of the European Parliament.

riccip

 

And Euro-dinosaurs refuse to listen. I'll simply repeat that I'm
surprised you can be so smug in the light of the MEP election
results, not just here but all across Europe. Britain *is*
changing, but not in the direction you appear to believe.
Political parties are backing away from the EU like it's poison
ivy. Even NL is desperately attempting to paint over it's spots
with the knives out for Blair. Your groundbase of support has
disappeared and whether you like it or not this entire issue will
be decided by the average Sun reader. Keep on smiling.

riccip

 

Umm... you're talking to me. What do you think I know about being
safe???

 

We'll see.

As it is I spend more cash in Euros than sterling since I spend at least
one day a week on the mainland.

 

You draw this conclusion from a vote that netted 16% of the electorate?

Just for clarity the UKIP came third in this election that you're
claiming was the point at which the tide turned.

 

I can't vote for more than one MP in any case.

What is your point?

 

Not being a sea faring nation that's historically unlikely.
Britain actually had very few slaves before renouncing slavery
entirely. Our black population is here entirely by choice, free
black men being welcome even before and during the years of
trans-Atlantic slavery.

The slave trade had continued for at least 3000 years before
Britain got involved, and to some extent still continues today.
It should be noted that the actual slave masters were black
Africans who always killed the males. Women and children could do
the work of men while being easier to control and so were all
that was required. Hence male slaves were an unwanted by-product.
The trans-Atlantic slave trade mainly required males and so
undoubtedly saved their lives. Once that ended the male slaves
were again routinely despatched by machete at the point of
capture.

riccip

 

You presume too much. I'm passionate about Europe and all of it's
many different countries, peoples and cultures. I'm well
travelled throughout Europe and have even now just returned from
a trip taking in 7 countries. My experience only serves to
convince me more that the EU is doomed as a long term
institution. It's only a matter of time and damage limitation.

Tell that to Japan. I see your point but personally I believe our
prosperity will be assured throwing in our lot with China and the
States. This century will see many changes globally and I believe
Britain will return to it's traditional role as a trading nation.

No, you're stereotyping anti-EU types into too few pigeon holes.
Don't believe everything you read in the Guardian, or the
Independent.

Oh I do understand where you're coming from and I don't doubt
your motives are sincere. You believe I can't see the bigger
picture. I'm suggesting there's another ever bigger one behind
that.

riccip

 

ROFL

riccip

 

No suprises there. <g>

riccip

 

Nice detective work but I'm 47. It's risky to assume all ppl of
any age are the same though. Some friends of my age are ex-hippy
green types who are all for the EU, having addled their brains
with a lifetime of spliffies.

All the EU has going for it at the moment is the apathy of voters
under 30.

riccip

 

That's coz there's lies, damned lies, and the EU.

riccip

 

You may laugh, although David Icke was quite a turn...

However, there is general disillusionment within the centre-left and left
electorate with the current 'leftish' and liberal parties. The Greens
offer a centre left liberal manifesto, critical of the EU (primarily for
its economic strategy) and, obviously, a green agenda.

There is a lot within their manifesto that is not fully workable but as a
mainstream alternative they're gathering pace faster than the others.

A 6% return without 'celebrity' endorsement, notoriety, poster campaigns
or pandering to baser instincts is not to be sneered at.

 

That's what I believe as well. In fact I'm relying on it.

riccip