Ping Jerry

Hey Jerry,
While doing my daily surf style through the many internet pages on the
www that have changed since yesterday, I ran across one that you might
want to see:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mcy/552249899.html

Don't worry, it's not some sleazy porn site....and there's nothing to
ride nekked in the pictures!

 

Oh, I forgot one...

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mcy/551017182.html

 

Whoops!!!

I just learned something today!

I just learned that the SV is NOT the same as the Bandit? Shit! I was
thinking they were the same bikes....

The Bandit is an inline 4 and the SV is a VTwin. You DO realize that
the two are rode completely different, don't you? For an inline,
you'll have to be in the 4-6k ranges to get any ride out of it. On the
V motor, all the torque and power is really low so you don't have to
run the engine high to get it to work.

Basically, you'll leave the dealer lugging the motor trying to keep
upshifting while looking at the tach not wanting to hurt the bike.
Then after you ride it awhile you'll realize that you're lugging it
and you'll start picking the RPMs up to ride. The speeds you'll
normally have been going 45-50mph in 5th and 6th gears and 3-4kRPM,
you'll find that you get better riding by being in 3rd or 4th gears
and pulling the motor up to 4-6kRPM. It took me a couple weeks to
learn this secret that no one tells you about until after you lug that
motor for awhile. Now I ride the Hurricane at 45mph in 4th gear
pulling about 5kRPM. I never really get the engine below that speed in
any gear and puts me shifting up to 6th somewhere around 65 - 70mph.
On the 'Bird, I pile it on with going into 3rd gear about 60mph with
top gear at somewhere around 80+mph. This keeps the 'Bird's motor up
around 4k and not going over 6k. The 'Bird doesn't make it's power
until about 7k and the Hurricane around 8k.

I'm not saying you won't like the Bandit, because it sits nice and
will be a nice ride. I'm only saying you will surely have to adjust
how you normally ride to get the most out of it.

 

Whoops!!!

I just learned something today!

I just learned that the SV is NOT the same as the Bandit? Shit! I was
thinking they were the same bikes....

The Bandit is an inline 4 and the SV is a VTwin. You DO realize that
the two are rode completely different, don't you? For an inline,
you'll have to be in the 4-6k ranges to get any ride out of it. On the
V motor, all the torque and power is really low so you don't have to
run the engine high to get it to work.

Basically, you'll leave the dealer lugging the motor trying to keep
upshifting while looking at the tach not wanting to hurt the bike.
Then after you ride it awhile you'll realize that you're lugging it
and you'll start picking the RPMs up to ride. The speeds you'll
normally have been going 45-50mph in 5th and 6th gears and 3-4kRPM,
you'll find that you get better riding by being in 3rd or 4th gears
and pulling the motor up to 4-6kRPM. It took me a couple weeks to
learn this secret that no one tells you about until after you lug that
motor for awhile. Now I ride the Hurricane at 45mph in 4th gear
pulling about 5kRPM. I never really get the engine below that speed in
any gear and puts me shifting up to 6th somewhere around 65 - 70mph.
On the 'Bird, I pile it on with going into 3rd gear about 60mph with
top gear at somewhere around 80+mph. This keeps the 'Bird's motor up
around 4k and not going over 6k. The 'Bird doesn't make it's power
until about 7k and the Hurricane around 8k.

I'm not saying you won't like the Bandit, because it sits nice and
will be a nice ride. I'm only saying you will surely have to adjust
how you normally ride to get the most out of it.
====================================================

Ease up Acorn


....louie

 

Not that there's anything wrong with how Jerry rides, only that if
he's used to riding cruisers (like I was) he'll have a shock when he
feels the bike in the lower RPMs. I know for me it took several weeks
of thinking my motorcycle was broke. It had no sound and took forever
to accellerate until it hit 5k...then the bike found it's nuts.

The SV would be better for someone who's used to cruisers because it's
power is down low. For someone who's used to a sportbike I-4, the SV
would be a twitchy bike with a light front end.

 

FWIW the SV 650 has a smooth and linear power curve topping out at
around 70 HP at +/- 9000 RPM with a modest 40 - 45 ft lbs of torque
at 7500 RPM.

The 90 degree V-Twins display different power characteristics than the
typical cruiser V-Twins. Still not as peaky as the inline fours
though.

 

Here, let me see if I can help you out of this...

"The engine performance on the 2003 SV650 is simply outstanding.
Throttle response and power delivery are improved over the carbureted
model in every way. The bike pulls smoothly and strongly from as low
as 4500 rpm all the way to its 11,000 rpm redline. Torque is
plentiful, and the bike always feels responsive (unless lugged to very
low rpm's)."

Let's see, I believe that's what I said.

In comparison:

"Just crack the throttle and the big Bandit pulls hard, especially in
the mid-range. Up top, the big engine keeps spinning but doesn't
produce a high RPM rush like you would expect from a GSXR.
Though the Bandit can be ridden in the higher RPM range, it's much
more fun and easier to ride when you keep the revs in the mid-range.
This is especially true while traversing back roads. Here the bike
will hang with all but the most serious sport bikes as the steering is
surprisingly light and somewhat quick. The secret here is to short
shift and let the engine do it's thing, winding it out will only slow
you down. The slick shifting gearbox is a joy to use and the engine
and it's exhaust note just keeps getting better the more you rev the
bike. Under most conditions it's exceptionally easy to cover ground
quickly on the Bandit."

Did you notice the wording in the SV description saying "from as low
as", as compared to the Bandit's description of "mid range" and "up
top"?

Now, stop just looking at stupid ass numbers and actually ride a few
bikes and get to know them....then come back here and tell us about
the different characteristics. Anyone who's ever spent any time
actually riding sportbikes and being around them knows V2 motors are
torquey down low and the I4s are power up top. I have two very
different types of I4s and when I get used to one and go to the other
I get either a feeling of being stuck in the muck or riding with a
light front end. Going from an I4 to a V2 would be a blast of a light
twitchy frontal bike.

And just for Jerry:
"Don't like cruisers? Hate that sport bike crouch position? Maybe the
bike for you is a performance standard like Suzuki's exciting 1200
Bandit, which offers up one of the most compelling packages in
motorcycling today"

 

Oh, I forgot one...

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mcy/551017182.html


That SV would make a good ride for the money. Thanks.

 

Whoops!!!

I just learned something today!

I just learned that the SV is NOT the same as the Bandit? Shit! I was
thinking they were the same bikes....

The Bandit is an inline 4 and the SV is a VTwin. You DO realize that
the two are rode completely different, don't you? For an inline,
you'll have to be in the 4-6k ranges to get any ride out of it. On the
V motor, all the torque and power is really low so you don't have to
run the engine high to get it to work.

Basically, you'll leave the dealer lugging the motor trying to keep
upshifting while looking at the tach not wanting to hurt the bike.
Then after you ride it awhile you'll realize that you're lugging it
and you'll start picking the RPMs up to ride. The speeds you'll
normally have been going 45-50mph in 5th and 6th gears and 3-4kRPM,
you'll find that you get better riding by being in 3rd or 4th gears
and pulling the motor up to 4-6kRPM. It took me a couple weeks to
learn this secret that no one tells you about until after you lug that
motor for awhile. Now I ride the Hurricane at 45mph in 4th gear
pulling about 5kRPM. I never really get the engine below that speed in
any gear and puts me shifting up to 6th somewhere around 65 - 70mph.
On the 'Bird, I pile it on with going into 3rd gear about 60mph with
top gear at somewhere around 80+mph. This keeps the 'Bird's motor up
around 4k and not going over 6k. The 'Bird doesn't make it's power
until about 7k and the Hurricane around 8k.

I'm not saying you won't like the Bandit, because it sits nice and
will be a nice ride. I'm only saying you will surely have to adjust
how you normally ride to get the most out of it.


The Bandit has a pretty low torque range. One of the reasons I wanted it
instead of some of the other higher range torque curve bikes. I am sure it
will be some adjustment. When I had the CB1000, it was an adjustment to go
from it to the Valkyrie and back again.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features/122_0705_suzuki_bandit_1250s/
They've added some performance, too: Peak output remains a claimed 98
horsepower, but that number now arrives 1000 rpm earlier, at 7500. Maximum
torque, however, is up from 67 lb.-ft. to 79, and is produced at just 3700
rpm instead of the previous 6500. That's some serious low-end grunt.

http://www.ridermagazine.com/output.cfm?ID=1260253
the new Bandit is already generating 64.5 lb-ft of torque at just 1,800 rpm,
and from 2,700 rpm there's more than 70 lb-ft available on up to its peak of
78.0 at 6,000 rpm, at which point it's already spinning out 89.1 horsepower.

 

Here, let me see if I can help you out of this...

"The engine performance on the 2003 SV650 is simply outstanding.
Throttle response and power delivery are improved over the carbureted
model in every way. The bike pulls smoothly and strongly from as low
as 4500 rpm all the way to its 11,000 rpm redline. Torque is
plentiful, and the bike always feels responsive (unless lugged to very
low rpm's)."

Let's see, I believe that's what I said.

In comparison:

"Just crack the throttle and the big Bandit pulls hard, especially in
the mid-range. Up top, the big engine keeps spinning but doesn't
produce a high RPM rush like you would expect from a GSXR.
Though the Bandit can be ridden in the higher RPM range, it's much
more fun and easier to ride when you keep the revs in the mid-range.
This is especially true while traversing back roads. Here the bike
will hang with all but the most serious sport bikes as the steering is
surprisingly light and somewhat quick. The secret here is to short
shift and let the engine do it's thing, winding it out will only slow
you down. The slick shifting gearbox is a joy to use and the engine
and it's exhaust note just keeps getting better the more you rev the
bike. Under most conditions it's exceptionally easy to cover ground
quickly on the Bandit."

Did you notice the wording in the SV description saying "from as low
as", as compared to the Bandit's description of "mid range" and "up
top"?

Now, stop just looking at stupid ass numbers and actually ride a few
bikes and get to know them....then come back here and tell us about
the different characteristics. Anyone who's ever spent any time
actually riding sportbikes and being around them knows V2 motors are
torquey down low and the I4s are power up top. I have two very
different types of I4s and when I get used to one and go to the other
I get either a feeling of being stuck in the muck or riding with a
light front end. Going from an I4 to a V2 would be a blast of a light
twitchy frontal bike.

And just for Jerry:
"Don't like cruisers? Hate that sport bike crouch position? Maybe the
bike for you is a performance standard like Suzuki's exciting 1200
Bandit, which offers up one of the most compelling packages in
motorcycling today"


Yes Brian, that Ad copy got my attention too. Pretty much says it the way I
feel.

I want another lane splitting, nimble, fast and easy on the back machine.
Damn, I am anxious to get the damn thing. I even had dreams about them last
night that woke me up.

 

Dusty, can you come in with some more pictures.

These outdated recycled motorcycle reviews are killing us riders.

...louie

 

==ain't ol' calgary, a smart 'un. So knowledgeable, on any, I mean
''any MotorSikel''.....what a dude...............<g> MrJayTfuss.=

 

====Jerry be careful. I, personally am glad, that you are having to
wait till March.......by then...............maybe you'll wake up, like
an ol' winter sleeping bear....
==hehe======Mr.JayTfuss

 

Yeah, I'm excited for you too...in case you couldn't tell. I always
like when someone takes the splurge and buys a new bike, and
especially when someone jumps into a well designed and good stylin'
bike like the Bandit. Louie and I were talking about the Bandit on the
day we rode those crappy (it was louie's idea to ride them <g>)
Victorys. We were comparing the Z1000 to the Bandit and I was telling
him that what I thought was really cool about their styling was how
they look most comfortable being rode in a 45 degree wheelie. I am
really looking forward to when you get the bike and we make a ride
again.

I hope you don't mind me picking out parts and add-ons for the bike?
<G>

And speaking of "lane splitting", I don't know what the deal is, but
suddenly in the past week or so people have become hostile toward me
when I'm go through the cars. I've had more and more people squeeze up
the gaps trying to keep me from going through, blowing their
horns...and I mean LAYING on those horns...not just a "beep beep", and
I even had one moron run me down. We were in a 35mph zone here in
Garland, and this guy was side by side with another vehicle. I went
through them and didn't think anything about it. I romped it up to a
whopping 45mph and cruised on. I had something catch my eye in the
mirrors and when I moved to see what it was, it was this nut FLYING up
behind me going at LEAST 80mph. This nut didn't see the red light
coming up and slammed on his brakes to hollar something at me. I
didn't know what it was since he had tinted windows and I could only
see a silouette<sp?> of him. When the nut finally looked back at the
road he REALLY laid on the brakes and had smoke rolling from under the
wheel wells to get the truck stopped before he skidded into the
intersection. I thought "now who's more dangerous, the motorcycle who
just went easily though the traffic and rode like I knew what I was
doing, or a nut who goes over double the speed limit and skidding
around with other cars and people around him?". I just turned at the
light and left this guy trying to figure out how to get his truck
backed out of the intersection.

Another thing that pisses ME off is something here locally. The TexDoT
had 635 and 75 (my routes for going to Plano and back) under
construction for over 3 years now building HOV lanes. I've had to deal
with all that mess in hopes it would be better when completed. This
week, I got a peek at the finished product and they have it built
where the two busiest on/off ramps along 635 (both in Mesquite) have
no access to the HOV lane. And if you miss the access in Mesquite
(which really isn't access in Mesquite), you have to wait until about
8 miles later when you get to Plano Road in Dallas to enter the HOV.
By this time, the traffic is pretty well cleared out (even in a car
and not a lane splitting motorcycle) and runnning smoothly with only
one more slow down up ahead. Between Plano Road and the exit at 75
there's only about 2 miles between them...and remember, I said there
was not really any more slow downs. Looking at how they built it, I
can see DART had quite an input into the construction of the HOV lane.
DART is a private company here in Dallas who's pretty well taken over
for Dallas. We in Mesquite have made sure DART hasn't been able to get
a stronghold in our town and we've kept them from running their buses
through here with any stops. Now looking at the HOV lane with NO
access from Mesquite's on ramps, I can see DART designed it and made
it their own. One problem with their idea though, I paid for that HOV
lane as did everyone else in Mesquite through our tax dollars. The
lanes and construction was built with TxDoT money, the security for it
was using Mesquite Police and the signs and maintenance will be paid
for by state funds. That's bullshit that I can't use it because I
enter the highway from Mesquite's busiest on ramp. It's just one more
example of businesses and corporations running this country. I'm now
officially saying **** them and their HOV lane. I'll continue lane
splitting and making my way to work the best I can. I'll continue
slapping car mirrors and I'll continue riding the way I want through
traffic.

Geez, this was WAY longer of a post than I intended! <G>

 

Well here is what you actually said:

Begin quote
I just learned that the SV is NOT the same as the Bandit? Shit! I was
thinking they were the same bikes....

The Bandit is an inline 4 and the SV is a VTwin. You DO realize that
the two are rode completely different, don't you? For an inline,
you'll have to be in the 4-6k ranges to get any ride out of it. On the
V motor, all the torque and power is really low so you don't have to
run the engine high to get it to work.
End quote

Pretty clear you didn't even know the SV was a 90 degree V-Twin. Also
clear you didn't know the SV was not the Bandit.

Just as clear you didn't know the power band characteristics of the 90
degree V-Twin are significantly different from the traditional 45
degree (+/-) engines.

I was just filling in the gaps you left out of your post.

It's not a big deal Bryan. Certainly not worth twisting your panties
in a knot. I am glad to see you did a little more research and now
have a better understanding of the SV and their 90 degree V-twins.

Now checkout the DL 650 & 1000s or the Ducs. They are also interesting
bikes that use the 90 degree V-twin.

 

Yeah, I'm excited for you too...in case you couldn't tell. I always
like when someone takes the splurge and buys a new bike, and
especially when someone jumps into a well designed and good stylin'
bike like the Bandit. Louie and I were talking about the Bandit on the
day we rode those crappy (it was louie's idea to ride them <g>)
Victorys. We were comparing the Z1000 to the Bandit and I was telling
him that what I thought was really cool about their styling was how
they look most comfortable being rode in a 45 degree wheelie. I am
really looking forward to when you get the bike and we make a ride
again.

I hope you don't mind me picking out parts and add-ons for the bike?
<G>

And speaking of "lane splitting", I don't know what the deal is, but
suddenly in the past week or so people have become hostile toward me
when I'm go through the cars. I've had more and more people squeeze up
the gaps trying to keep me from going through, blowing their
horns...and I mean LAYING on those horns...not just a "beep beep", and
I even had one moron run me down. We were in a 35mph zone here in
Garland, and this guy was side by side with another vehicle. I went
through them and didn't think anything about it. I romped it up to a
whopping 45mph and cruised on. I had something catch my eye in the
mirrors and when I moved to see what it was, it was this nut FLYING up
behind me going at LEAST 80mph. This nut didn't see the red light
coming up and slammed on his brakes to hollar something at me. I
didn't know what it was since he had tinted windows and I could only
see a silouette<sp?> of him. When the nut finally looked back at the
road he REALLY laid on the brakes and had smoke rolling from under the
wheel wells to get the truck stopped before he skidded into the
intersection. I thought "now who's more dangerous, the motorcycle who
just went easily though the traffic and rode like I knew what I was
doing, or a nut who goes over double the speed limit and skidding
around with other cars and people around him?". I just turned at the
light and left this guy trying to figure out how to get his truck
backed out of the intersection.

Another thing that pisses ME off is something here locally. The TexDoT
had 635 and 75 (my routes for going to Plano and back) under
construction for over 3 years now building HOV lanes. I've had to deal
with all that mess in hopes it would be better when completed. This
week, I got a peek at the finished product and they have it built
where the two busiest on/off ramps along 635 (both in Mesquite) have
no access to the HOV lane. And if you miss the access in Mesquite
(which really isn't access in Mesquite), you have to wait until about
8 miles later when you get to Plano Road in Dallas to enter the HOV.
By this time, the traffic is pretty well cleared out (even in a car
and not a lane splitting motorcycle) and runnning smoothly with only
one more slow down up ahead. Between Plano Road and the exit at 75
there's only about 2 miles between them...and remember, I said there
was not really any more slow downs. Looking at how they built it, I
can see DART had quite an input into the construction of the HOV lane.
DART is a private company here in Dallas who's pretty well taken over
for Dallas. We in Mesquite have made sure DART hasn't been able to get
a stronghold in our town and we've kept them from running their buses
through here with any stops. Now looking at the HOV lane with NO
access from Mesquite's on ramps, I can see DART designed it and made
it their own. One problem with their idea though, I paid for that HOV
lane as did everyone else in Mesquite through our tax dollars. The
lanes and construction was built with TxDoT money, the security for it
was using Mesquite Police and the signs and maintenance will be paid
for by state funds. That's bullshit that I can't use it because I
enter the highway from Mesquite's busiest on ramp. It's just one more
example of businesses and corporations running this country. I'm now
officially saying **** them and their HOV lane. I'll continue lane
splitting and making my way to work the best I can. I'll continue
slapping car mirrors and I'll continue riding the way I want through
traffic.

Geez, this was WAY longer of a post than I intended! <G>


I am looking forward to getting it and going for rides together again also.
We need to get everybody together again. If you run into something for a
Bandit, by all means post it. I will need some good engine bars and will
most likely change the handlebars as well pretty quick. The people that try
to run down motorcycles in their cars are trying to kill you and should be
reported. Last I heard, lane splitting is not a capitol offense.

 

What would it be like if I woke up?

 

==like, ''come to your senses'', and fix/finish that VW Trike
Bike....and 'realize' that your old'back, aint gonna like the way that
Bandit Butt Up bike, sits!
(0possum grin agin.) Mr.JayT. =

 

The Bandit sits up pretty straight. It is not a sportbike.

 

Jerry advises JayT: ''The Bandit sits up pretty straight. It is not
a sportbike.'


==have ya actually had a chance to sit on one yet......I checked locally
and they dont have any of 'um yet. I wuz gonna check it out...
Mr.JayT=