Pigmentation dispute amongst kitchen utensils

Ship scavenger 'greed' condemned

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6289371.stm
That would of course be in contrast to the owners of the unseaworthy
hulk^H^H^H^H ship

Maybe they should have spent more fixing it after it ran aground in
2001 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2559751,00.html

 

Quite. I did feel sorry for the couple who watched their personal family
possessions being picked over on the beach - photos, and things. Not
pleasant.

Ali

 

Shouldn't have picked such a pikey shipper. But yes, that is the sad
bit. OTOH, shipwrecks happene every day and stuff gets lost. It's no
worse than having the delivery truck catch fire.

I'm still waiting to see what happens if security guards try and
prevent people picking stuff up. It's legal, the police have not tried
to stop it, so what will the heavies do and (equally), what will the
beachcombers do?

 

<TOG@toil>; <>; <>
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Yup. I'd like to think that someone might be decent enough to return the
obviouslty personal stuff.

I'd like to see that. Beach wars between Dorset rabbit haters and
black-Puffa jackets. A cabaret.

Ali

 

The people who are getting there by going around the access closures
appear to be being ignored:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6289371.stm

 

Champ says...

The people who have taken the BMWs will surely get divine retribution by
losing their sanity and smelling of piss, if they decide to keep them.

 

Nice bait, but I didn't say that.

I did and do agree with TOG that the delivery truck catching fire has the
same impact - it's loss, certainly financial, sometimes emotional. What I
was hoping was that those who nicked the personal belongings might be shamed
in to returning them - the *emotional* impact of those being taken is very
high indeed. I suspect that the perps would see one as theft and one not.
Which I would separate from the fact that both acts are potentially theft.
I'm assuming that the intent is to permanently deprive and that the
beachcombers don't declare them to the RoW, of course. Hence the word
potentially.

Yes, well. There's a hell of a lot of that goes on. Storm damage claims
where the builder just happens to add in the excess, hm?

Prepare to be amazed: I agree with you on both counts. So there. Stuff that
in your pipe and smoke it.

Ali

 

Hm. OK, better analogy.

I think an awful lot of people believe in victimless crime. Which is utter
bullshit, if one bothers to think properly about it. I do recall seeing a
reformed burglar on the box once: he gave it up after meeting his distressed
and angry victims.

OK, stick in your glass and drink it?

Ali

 

Point of order. It definitely is not theft. Not according to the law.
That's why the blokes pushing the BMW were allowed to do it. It is
legal to remove it, and only theft if you thereafter keep it, or flog
it.

Under maritime law, it won't be you and I. It's still the shipowner's
responsibility.

 

<TOG@toil>; <>; <>
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Or don't declare it before keeping it, if you see what I mean?

Ali

 

Andrewr At Work says...

Salvage/wreck law is different to terra-firma law.

 

But even then, most people done for nicking cars aren't done for theft
either, TWOC, as the former is so difficult to prove.
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#Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do then..

Phil

 

Ace says...

As a copper mate of mine explained, as soon as they remove the original
number plates it becomes theft.

 

Not that much different - stuff was amended quite heavily in the 1997
Maritime Act.

Phil

 

There's a legal difference. The law says that you areallowed to remove
items from the beach. Yes, you're supposed to report them to the
Receiver of Wrecks, etc etc, but it's legal to remove them.

If you play silly buggers afterwards, it's theft. If you can't prove
the intent permanently to deprive, at the point of wheeling off the
beach (and you won't!) it's not theft. That's the law. It's written
down, and codified. End of.

 

Think how it would get strewn around anyway, with a couple of days
bettering by the waves. At least some of the stuff has been removed now.

 

wrote

An interesting letter was read out on R2 thus morning, from some Swedish
Burd whop was watching her life's collection of capitalist trophies
being pillaged by the half humans of the west country, upset she was.

 

She was in the Torygrarf - that's the one I mentioned, I think. Was shipping
family stuff to her winery in Serth Efrika.

Ali

 

So, if you see a fit bird on the beach with her boyfriend, you're in the
wrong if you move in on her.

But if she goes swimming, she's fair games as soon as she comes back
out?

Party on!