Pictures, as promised.

chris was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

I was actually talking about recent Triumph bikes, but never mind...

 

Pete M says...

Small cars are for those who don't really fucking care. If having a big
car is that important, then maybe other issues need addressing.

I've asked my boss not to buy me a big car when the Golf needs
replacing. I need a functional tool for working from, not a status
symbol.

 

If women like small cars, that works for me.

 

Aye, LPG has so many advantages (and few disadvantages) that it's almost too
good to be true...

I took a good long hard look at LPG for our Ka. Sure, there's a compromise
associated with luggage (a big compromise) but we cover 30,000 miles a year
and with these new funky high tech LPG systems, we'd make back the initial
capital outlay in somewhere between two and two and a half years, assuming
the differential between petrol and LPG remains as it is now.

But I'm too cynical to believe that it'll remain as it is. I don't trust
the Government not to raise the duty on LPG to make up for the "losses" [1]
in holding it on petrol and diesel.

[1] Lost gain, heh.

 

Heh, 16 year old VOLVO estate, status symbol, hehheehehe.

 

In

Probably.. Hence my ownership of an ancient Mercedes.. You could be onto
something.

I just needed a car that doesn't break down all the time.


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CR diesel is up to about 1000 bar....... OK, that's at injector point.

 

How about those Mitsubishi GDI petrol engines then.... petrol at diesel
type pressures. =:-O

 

Surely that's all the more reason to convert today... The longer you
leave it, the less you save.

I think the differential will remain for the next 5 years at least.

 

"DervMan" wrote in message

In 2003, the Chancellor announced:

"the Government has decided that the environmental benefits offered by
liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) no longer justify the level of duty
differential it currently receives, while the long period of high duty
support has allowed the
necessary infrastructure to be developed.

The Government will gradually increase the duty rate for LPG over the next
three years, setting duty differentials on a path towards a level
commensurate with the fuel’s environmental benefits. "

In 2004, this was confirmed as a decrease in the duty differential of 1p
each year for 3 years.

http://www.fleetnewsnet.co.uk/news/view_article.asp?s=view_article&art_ID=34055

Biodiesel would seem to be the one to go for next - 23p/litre cheaper than
sulpher free diesel for the next three years.

 

So it's going up from the 28.4p a litre I pay now to 31.4p a litre by
2007. Wow, that really going to hurt.

So about 63p a litre then.

 

So, 1p on a litre each year for three years. That still makes LPG a good
buy and worth installing.

 

Apparently on date Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:29:42 -0600, tallbloke

Promises, possibly, but LPG presumably emits much the same CO2 and H2O that a
petrol engine does?

AFAIK it is a good thing that people use it for fuel rather than it being
burned off at the rig in huge flares, though.

I'd have LPG but the conversion cost doesn't pay for itself, in my
circumstances, not to mention the lack of LPG stations nearby.

 

What sort of mpg do you get out of LPG? roughly the same as petrol? I'm
curious, never having used it or read about the benefits etc. Our local
garage does LPG, but I think it's a bit more than 31p a litre. I'll have to
check. I run diesels now, after running big petrols for a long time. I lost
my "good" job and am having to penny pinch these days to keep the nice
house.LOL. kids would kill me if I moved. Bio diesel is not available in my
area, but I do find diesel cheaper to run than petrol, even though the stuff
now costs more than petrol. I can remember when it was almost half the price
of petrol though, so god knows what the government are raking in on it now
it's so popular. I hope they don't do the same to LPG, but I have a feeling
they will.

 

LOL - I hope not. BTW, I once had a Talbot Solara that did the same thing
on a station forecourt, but luckily I had the presence of mind to let it
continue. God I was glad to be rid of it.

 

wrote in

Can't see H2O emmisions being a big issue really. Specially at this time
of year. Less particulates is a major benefit for human lungs, but yes, it
all contributes to the greenhouse gas overload.

I picked up a cheapy car with a conversion and fettled it up. I'll prolly
remove it and refit it to the next motor too.

Secondhand kit can be picked up off ebay cheaply enough.

 

Less mpg than petrol. My VOLVO estate has a fairly primitive lpg setup and
gets between 16.5 to 19.5 mpg. Dunno what it'd do on petrol, prolly around
20 to 25. Performance is down unless you up the compression too. Mine is
on 200lb/"2 which is well up on factory standard.

Morrisons petrol station next to me does lpg at 29.9 but you get a rebate
of 1,5p/litre to spend instore so 28.4p. Everywhere else seems to be about
40 to 45p a litre though so I'm extra smug ;-)

It's lots cleaner than normal diesel. I don't know much about biodiesel
but I bet the particulates are still pretty bad for health.

 

"Steve Firth" %steve%@malloc.co.uk wrote in message

The Fleet News site translated it as a 2.42p/litre price rise for 04/05. Not
sure how - too late/early for my brain to work that one out.

Depends on the miles you do I suppose. £1500 (guess?) conversion cost and a
30p/litre differential suggests you'll not be out of pocket anymore after
around 35,000 miles.

 

Yo!

And keeping me on the dole. cheers guys!

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Hi "tallbloke"

You use your spare wheel to hold gas??

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