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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by pablo, Feb 23, 2005.

  1. pablo

    pablo Guest

    Wow, is it true Bayliss is considering retirement? If that's really going
    through his mind, he migt not be a factor at all this year. Shame.

    Interesting to see Doohan's comments on Biaggi (well, several people seemed
    to voice similar views on the Faster DVD), saying he doesn't think Biaggi
    can steer bike development, and claiming Rossi is the only one that can
    truly do that in today's MotoGP field (which is a devastating criticism of
    the entire field, by the way). I sort of expect Hayden to emerge as number 1
    quite quickly, this really could be the year. Biaggi just sounds a bit
    dettached (consistently talking about Honda as "they" when he's in the works
    team) and seemingly is still not in the best physical condition after his
    injury. Not good signs from Biaggi.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Feb 23, 2005
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    S Frank Guest

    I really doubt Hayden will do better than Biaggi or Sete. But we shall
    see. I hope I am wrong.

    I would like to see Bayliss back in WSB myself. He is never going
    to do anything on a 10th place bike. He looked ok in year 1 on the Duc,
    then the Duc sucked last year, he leaves and now it looks to be
    a bit better.

    I think the top 5 points will end like this:

    1) Rossi (the rest of the wins)
    2) Biaggi (maybe 3 wins)
    3) Sete ( a couple of wins)
    4) Edwards (winless)
    5) Hayden (maybe 1 win)
     
    S Frank, Feb 24, 2005
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  3. pablo

    pablo Guest

    Eventually, it is inevitable. Merely a question of age. However, I think
    this might be the year. Hayden is very methodical and smart in his approach.
    That he's fast, he's proven often in the past. It's the other two elements
    that are very encouraging about him. Biaggi seems to be already setting
    himself up for failure. Instead of psyching his opponents with statements of
    planned dominance, he's going all ho-hum. Injury, the bike has problems...
    shut up, Max, you're on Number 1 HRC, the most winning team and bike in
    MotoGP history. Do you job and the title is within reach. Every other claim
    is crap.
    Hold on there, *both* Camel Hondas scored wins last season... Nothing
    indicates they're as hopeless as you indicate. The problem here seems to be
    Bayliss, not necessarily the bike, and it is a clear indication that MotoGP
    *does* have a very high level, which Bayliss has repeatedly acknowledged in
    the past himself. One great thing about Bayliss is that he seldom makes
    excuses, and openly gives kudos to his peers.
    Oh, it's true, with a few weeks to go we should get the predicitions thing
    going. I am waiting until after the next test... :)

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Feb 24, 2005
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    S Frank Guest

    I agree that the Camel Hondas won last year, but I think Troy's bike
    will be more like Colin's bike from last year as far as support is
    concerned.
    I just do not believe that Troy's bike will be nearly as good (relative to
    the other Hondas) as Tamada's or Biaggi's bike from last year.
    '
    Shane
     
    S Frank, Feb 24, 2005
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  5. pablo

    S Frank Guest

    Well, Troy is having problems with chatter like Colin did. I know
    that all of Honda riders have mentioned problems with chatter, but
    the top riders seem to have that problem much less. Last year
    Honda promised equal support for everyone and that didn't happen.
    This year they have promised not to give equal support. I do not
    think anyone would say that Troy will get the support of Hayden,
    Biaggi, or Sete (or Tamada). Already he is at least 5th in
    the pecking order. I am not making excuses for Troy though. I
    think his results so far in testing have been pretty bad. Even
    at his home track.
     
    S Frank, Feb 24, 2005
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    Ed Light Guest

    Maybe to him the race itself is all he worries about. Maybe other people's
    psychs don't impress him.


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    Julian Bond Guest

    Nobody's mentioned an odd little scene on the 3rd day. Sete had some
    chassis bits that Max hadn't tested. So the HRC guys remove them from
    Sete's bike and put them on Max's. Sete has nothing else to test so he
    doesn't even bother to go out and fly's home early instead in a huff.

    Seems to me Honda are playing exactly the same games they played last
    year. Max is the only #1. No, Sete's fully supported, no Max is #1. Oh
    dear Sete is #1 in points. Yes but Max is #1. So if you want a
    prediction, Rossi will get some wins and be consistently top 5 on his
    off days. Max and Sete will get some wins but will have some terrible
    off days and will take some points off each other. Edwards, Hayden,
    Tamada, Capirossi, Checa, will get podiums, might even get a win but
    will take more points off Max and Sete than they will off Rossi. Rossi
    will take huge delight in screwing with Max and Sete's heads while
    talking up Capirossi. Honda will try and solve all this by throwing more
    money and technology at Max mid season until Max's head is spinning
    trying to work out what to do and what works. Max then falls off one too
    many times, gifting the championship to Rossi.

    But what if it rains?

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    Julian Bond, Feb 24, 2005
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  8. I think it's more of an evidence of how fortunate the connection between
    Rossi and Doohan in rossi's first years in GP was. They obviously speak the
    same language and that put Rossi/Doohans team right on top. This sport has
    so many factors and apart from rider skill. The cooperation between team and
    rider is one of the more important.
    That's my first objection against rating/explaining positions based on rider
    skill and equipment alone.

    /MBE
     
    Morten Becker-Eriksen, Feb 24, 2005
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  9. pablo

    pablo Guest

    I actually think Doohan rode *much* harder around a bike's problems than
    ever rider since. Rossi, superior to the rest of the field as he is now, in
    my opinion represents the new generation of higher paid, more glamorous, yet
    less ruthlessly reckless riders. He does what he has to do to win. If there
    was still someone of the caliber of Doohan or Lawson or Rainey around, I
    think Rossi would be riding at a safe distance behind, but with a smile on
    his face enjoying riding as much as ever.
    That has always been the case, though. It's easy to forget, looking back on
    MotoGP history, that it wasn't always the "purest best natural rider" that
    won the title. Long and venerable history of the beter connected rider
    beating the public's darling. Remember Roberts got better Yamaha's than
    Sheene ever got. Read got better Honda's than Ivy got. Etc etc...
    That's however how all us fans rationalize away our particular biases. I
    still maintain Lucchinelli would have won 6 titles with proper factory
    support. And all that is cool. :)

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Feb 25, 2005
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