Petrol price protest proceeds

The shortfall between the current system and a road tax system that only
recovered the cost of maintaining roads. Presumably it would leave the
government coffers somewhat less jangly.

 

£4.6bn income in VED.
£6.7bn spent on roads.

http://www.racfoundation.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=35

 

ginge wibbled

"a fuel tax that equates to, and only to, expenditure on the roads."
isn't "a road tax system that only recovered the cost of maintaining
roads"

It would, obviously, need to include for maintenance and upkeep, but
not exclusively. There would also need to be provision for future
road-building, improvements to infrastructure and further expenditure
for research etc so that we continue (heh) to have a viable road
system, not just a patched-up mish-mash of roads that go nowhere. er ..

Ok, as you were ...

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An overall reduction in UK taxation (and expenditure) of about 25% please.

 

You would support hidden and/or obfuscated taxation and expenditure?

 

I don't think govmints should have the power to levy general taxation on any
goods or services or to artificially restrict consumption by cost. It
victimises the less well off in a way I find wholly objectionable.

Specific levies to directly fund related projects yes. As in a small fuel
tax to provide and maintain roads. Air tax to build and maintain
airports/traffic control etc.

An NI payment directly funding the NHS and a pension payment to fund
retirement. Other than that a nice simple flat rate unitary PAYE and Corp.
tax so that there can be no obfuscation of the true tax rate and much
reduced collection charges.

It won't happen mind but I can fantasise.

 

Sounds good.

There are a few easy ways to achieve it too. For instance how about no
more using freelance contractors on government projects like, oh I don't
know... we could start with the NHS and HMRC maybe. Over 2 years
backfill all contract roles with rolling 6 month permie contracts on
standard .gov salary bands. There's your saving - no need to thank me.

 

I object to the hypothecation (as the governement incorrectly insists
on calling it) of taxation unless, rarely, there is a specific need
for it.

I would like to see taxation on vehicular fuel increased as part of an
overall strategy to reduce road mileage. I would like to see
expenditure on Social Services and pensions increased to plug some of
the gaping holes in our so-called welfare state. I see no reason for
the government to hide or otherwise obfuscate achieving either of
those aims.

 

I'd be happier if they took a more holistic view of the issue, sure
increase the tax, but in turn use that money to create incentives for
companies to relocate or set up in areas with high unemployment, or
significantly high numbers of people commuting out of town for work.

It's no good taxing people to commute to work, if there aren't the jobs
locally for them to go to.

The wellfare state should really be focussed on those medically unable
to work, rather those trapped there by logistics or life choices, IMHO.

 

Sounds good to me, I don't work for or EKS to the NHS.

Reduce the number of agency nurses, that would be a good start.
How about we scrap the entire Nuclear sub fleet present and future. Andy can
be kept busy in new Nuke energy builds.
Foreign military spending, another big saving opportunity.
Flat rate taxation so (say) 20,000 less govmint employees.
Legalise drug supplies so a huge saving in police and customs resource.
Oh I could go on, but I won't.

 

Why do you want to reduce road miles? personal mobility is important.
Of course making it more expensive will not inconvenience you or me, we
don't really have to GAF about the marginal cost, it will only put the
bottom quartile back 60 years.

I would not disagree with reducing freight road miles and I think some
holistic logistical planning could do just that.

 

Other than those disabled, retired etc. I don't know why we pay long term
unemployment benefit or housing support. The Poles have proved there was
work available for everyone.
I would rather see those made unemployed paid several times more than
currently, from the outset, with about 10 times as much assistance.

We should be striving to have the lowest rate of corporation tax,
particularly in finance and manufacturing, in the developed world.

 

All the signs are that we're heading towards gridlock. We either
suffer that gridlock, build more roads or reduce the amount of
traffic. I opt for reducing traffic.

 

</selfish mode>

OK I give in, good argument, tax the pikey cunts off the road. Fuel tax is
the only way to catch them all.

While at it, it occurred to me that foreign drivers should have to put down
a £500 bond on a credit card as they come through the border. That should
cover their parking and road offences and get some of these Polish cunts off
the roads and pavements.

 

Traffic levels are merely a symptom, it's the cause that needs to be
fixed.

The cause is simply that so much business is jammed into a couple of
square miles of city centre, rather than being evenly distributed around
district and suburb, using local employees as it was less than 50 years
ago.

Changing the town planning rules to encourage mixing office space and
light industry in with the suburbs would be a better fix than taxing the
living crap out of commuters... At the same time we need more affordable
city centre housing and mixed office/retail/residential development in
place of shopping centres and retail parks.

Given 2 jobs of similar pay people will naturally start looking for the
ones closer to home, and will consider homes closer to work.

 

The rubber stopper at the top of my olive oil spouty bottle type thing
has been royally fucked by contact with the stuff, whereas the vinegar
one is fine.

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Bugger that - what if the French copy us?

 

The Poles will all have to park in Belgium?

 

Let's do both.

Agreed.

 

My Mum's on the planning committee of her local Parish Council (you
get to find out everything that's going on, but have no real power to
do anything, merely recommend for or against), and was talking to the
owner of a building firm just before Christmas. As there's no public
sector housing being built anymore (true in North Cumbria if not
elsewhere) either nobody is building "affordable housing" anymore, as
there isn't enough profit in it for their liking, or they say
everything's affordable, as there's always someone who can (and will)
afford it.