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... 1/8d = 1 shilling 8 pence = 1 2/3 shillings The nearest whole number is two 10/- (ten shillings) divided by 2 = 5 Remainder 5 x 1/3 shillings = 1 2/3 shillings, so add 1 to 5, giving 6 Alternately and probably much easier, except that I don't recall being in the habit of converting money into pennies for calculations. 1/8d = 20d 10/- = 120d 120 / 20 = 6 Colin Bignell
.... As I said, it is a sign of the lowering of educational standards. Mental arithmetic just involves breaking down the calculation into a series of simpler sums, then doing those one at a time. In many cases, a close approximation is all you really need and those are even easier. I still do a quick mental check when using a calculator, so that I know that I didn't push a wrong button somewhere. In the days of slide rules, you had to have a fair idea of what the answer was going to be before you started, so that you knew where to put the decimal point. ..... These days they probably have a programmed till, with a different button for each type of drink. I used to run a bar. For me, the most difficult bit was keeping track of all the drinks that a large group wanted. The person at the bar had usually memorised a list and would rattle it off quickly, as if to get it all out before any of it was forgotten. Colin Bignell
Is that really how we used to write "one and eight" ? If it had been a shilling and tuppence per gallon, would that not look exactly like a ha'penny - 1/2d ?
I'm not sure there were 20 'decent' universities when I went. To really count, the university had to be able to measure its history in centuries. However, the proliferation of degree factories that followed the granting of university status to the CATs in the late 60s has now made the redbricks pillars of the establishment. Colin Bignell
<grin> If you're going to misread 1/8d[1] as 1/8 of a penny instead of 1s 8d it should be 8 x 240 gallon. [1] Said /one and eightpence/ - there was some sort of logic to dropping the s when using /. Anyway - 3 gallon at 1/8d was 5 bob, or 1 gallon was 20d. 12 gallon for a quid. Simple innit.
No, because the use of the forward slash (/) to denote a fraction with all characters on the same line was not then in common use. Written fractions would either have a horizontal line between numerator & denominator or the two figures would be at different levels (superscripted and subscripted) which could be done with half linefeeds on a typewriter. Typewriters also had keys for the most common fractions. So a ha'penny would have been written ½d (if you are using the same character set on your PC as I am and the non-ASCII character does not get mangled by Usenet). Zero pennies would be denoted by a dash (-), so an amount of 2 shillings would be written 2/- d
Ah hah. I am old enough to remember "old money" ;-) But the addition of the trailing d to 1/8 or 2/- somehow doesn't look right if the context is clearly monetary.
Mine was OK. Its a bit of a party piece to be able to do anything that complex accurately, and there are far better things to do in school than learn mental arithmetic, esp since the common sense thing to do would be to reach for a calculator. OTOH hand I believe doing estimations is in the NC now. so "about 39 quid" should do.
I bow to the old farts My simple logic was that I thought the "/" *was* the shorthand, everything in front shillings, everything after pennies. Writing 1/8d for 1s8d doesn't seem to have saved any characters.
half_pint wrote Nope. The slightly abusive posts are normal business for ukrm when talking to the rest of the world. Especially if they are cagers