Perspective

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Bill Walker, Jul 18, 2005.

  1. anyone who posts a multi-meg binary file to text group after being told
    where they should go and why not to do so is a jackass. If his account
    actually got cancelled, which I doubt, then he blew his TOS as decided
    by his ISP, no one else. A publicly available picture of someone in
    assless chaps makes for great parody. get a sense of humor and get
    over it, no one else cares.
    oh yah, that link shows everything and the Kennedy assassination too.

    LOL
     
    another viewer, Jul 21, 2005
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  2. Bill Walker

    Andrew Guest

    Hey I'm not the one who rode 100+ miles to a place that I wasn't
    invited, to have a confrontation with a bunch of people regarding the
    usenet.

    That seems pretty sick and perverted to me.

    I'll stand by my previous words.
     
    Andrew, Jul 21, 2005
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  3. Bill Walker

    Bob Thomas Guest

    Fits into "Things that make you go BRRRR in the night"?

    grin

    bob
     
    Bob Thomas, Jul 21, 2005
  4. Bill Walker

    Andrew Guest


    Oh we both know where we stand.

    remember your father's kind words regarding my eBay account?
    you >will be aware of whatever they decide to do.."

    I called eBay and there is/was no complaint. Yet another lie.
    You boys disgust me with your hate.

    I won't respond to either of you anymore. I've set up a killfile on
    this new machine.

    Have a great life. I hope you both enjoy success, we're just never
    going to see eye to eye on this usenet BS.
     
    Andrew, Jul 21, 2005
  5. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    I don't need to be "invited" to Breckenridge or Possum Kingdom, you usenet
    moron.. I ride that area often.. WTF are you babbling about ? Invited my
    ass.. Are all you reeky fools so simple that you believe when you are in an
    area that someone you don't like has to be invited to that area...
    ROTFLMAO... Well.. OK.. one of you chicken shit assholes found out last
    Saturday that IT JUST AIN'T SO... He got the shit slapped out of him for his
    newsgroup horseshit.. You'd have probably done just what your other buddy
    did.. Get so fucking hysterical you drop your motorcycle.. hahaha..
     
    Bill Walker, Jul 21, 2005
  6. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    I've told Brian to stop playing Usenet with you.. I'll settle with your
    sleazy shit someplace other than a newsgroup..
     
    Bill Walker, Jul 21, 2005
  7. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    LOL.. Not much chance.. The OP, when I made it would have made that
    possible.. You just can't resist the urge to continue to Live to Flame and
    Flame to Live, can you.. As I've mentioned .. you were one of the ones I
    came to this newsgroup, to sort out.. Typical little reeky, snot nosed
    coward, the killfile thing is your answer, nothing more..
     
    Bill Walker, Jul 21, 2005
  8. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    So, Albert may not really know that he lied about
    what I wrote and what I did? What about after his
    lies are clearly pointed out to him through the use
    of quotes? Could he still not understand that he
    lied? Weird stuff.....

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    http://www.truthout.org/
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    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  9. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    Any link containing lies from rec.moto absolutely =must=
    have your lies, Albert. Yours are probably the dumbest and
    most blatant lies ever posted here... <chuckle>


    From Hank:

    What makes you "think" that being a liar =and= a coward
    is better than just being a liar? Man-up, ya timid little
    kook! <chuckle>



    It's nice to see you admit that there's nothing in your
    kook .sig but a "stupid little point" - in fact, a point so
    trivial, that only a desperate and psychotically obsessed
    kook would bother to put in his .sig. (chuckle) But, of
    course, you're lying when you insist that I argued the
    point afterwards and refused to admit my mistake. As
    a matter of fact, I admitted my error as soon as it was
    brought to my attention, because that's what honest people
    with class and integrity do, kook boy.
    In fact, this time, your lie is so blatant, and so easily
    crushed, that it brings your sanity into question. <g>

    < begin quoted message >

    From: Hank ("stop"@bu$h.treason)
    Subject: Re: I see the best you could do is call me stupid
    Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
    Date: 2004-08-10 17:45:51 PST


    I meant 180 hp per liter. My bad! I had hp per cubic inch
    on my mind too and musta got confused or something.


    So, Albert, see where I wrote, "I meant 180 hp per liter.
    My bad!"? That's not "arguing the point after the fact", and
    refusing to admit my mistake, as you and your lying, shit
    brained little buddy, itchy are insisting, is it? You know,
    you could better yourself significantly by taking some notes
    here. <chuckle>
    So now it's your turn (again) to admit that your psychotic
    obsession forced you to make a fool of yourself, and that
    you lied. <g>
    However, based on your incredibly cowardly, weak, and childish
    behavior in the past, it's a =very= safe bet that you'd rather
    eat more shit, show us all that you have no pride or self respect,
    and sacrifice your credibility - wait scratch that, you have
    none to sacrifice - than admit that you just lied. <chuckle>



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    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  10. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    You included,of course. Is anger and self loathing what
    causes you to lie about what others have said or done,
    Albert? I would have guessed it was just plain stupidity,
    but perhaps there's more than one cause. <chuckle>


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    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
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    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  11. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    Dude, I'm sure you said you were going to stop spamming
    our group with your juvenile, trivial, and irrelevant
    Walker obsession. When can we expect you to start honoring
    your word?

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    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  12. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    How about if war criminals and terorists dropped cluster
    bombs on them while they were playing in the backyard?

    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0403-09.htm


    Published on Thursday, April 3, 2003 by The Asia Times (Hong Kong)
    Cluster Bombs Liberate Iraqi Children
    by Pepe Escobar

    AMMAN - The horror. The horror. And unlike Apocalypse Now, there are
    real, not fictional images to prove it. But they won't be seen in
    Western homes. The new heart of darkness has emerged in the turbulent
    history of Mesopotamia via the Hilla massacre. After uninterrupted,
    furious American bombing on Monday night and Tuesday morning, as of
    Wednesday night there were at least 61 dead Iraqi civilians and more
    than 450 seriously injured in the region of Hilla, 80 kilometers south
    of Baghdad. Most are children: 60 percent of Iraq's population of
    roughly 24 million are children.

    Roland Huguenin-Benjamin, a spokesman for the International Committee
    of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Iraq, describes what happened in Hilla as
    "a horror, dozens of severed bodies and scattered limbs". Initially,
    Murtada Abbas, the director of Hilla hospital, was questioned about
    the bombing only by Iraqi journalists - and only Arab cameramen
    working for Reuters and Associated Press were allowed on site. What
    they filmed is horror itself - the first images shot by Western news
    agencies of what is also happening on the Iraqi frontlines: babies cut
    in half, amputated limbs, kids with their faces a web of deep cuts
    caused by American shellfire and cluster bombs. Nobody in the West
    will ever see these images because they were censored by editors in
    Baghdad: only a "soft" version made it to worldwide TV distribution.

    According to the Arab cameramen, two trucks full of bodies - mostly
    children, and women in flowered dresses - were parked outside the
    Hilla hospital. Dr Nazem el-Adali, trained in Scotland, said almost
    all the dead and wounded were victims of cluster bombs dropped in the
    Hilla region and in the neighboring village of Mazarak. Abbas
    initially said that there were 33 dead and 310 wounded. Then the ICRC
    went on site with a team of four, and they said that there were
    "dozens of dead and 450 wounded". Contacted by satphone on Thursday,
    Huguenin-Benjamin confirmed there were at least 460 wounded, being
    treated in an ill-equipped 280-bed hospital.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0402-06.htm

    Much of the videotape was too terrible to show on television and the
    agencies' Baghdad editors felt able to send only a few minutes of a
    21-minute tape that included a father holding out pieces of his baby
    and screaming "cowards, cowards'' into the camera. Two lorryloads of
    bodies, including women in flowered dresses, could be seen outside the
    Hilla hospital.




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    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  13. Bill Walker

    Hank Guest

    Talking to the cowardly little bitch in your mirror
    again, ya pitiful, spineless, lying sack of shit? <chuckle>


    =======================================================


    As predicted, when it's time to man-up, you get
    =nothing= but hiding and cowering from little
    itchy. <chuckle>



    See, this is why I enjoy usenet so much. Google saves
    the truth and facts, so if a psychotic little nut case
    like you spews an outright lie like the one above, the
    truth can be easily retrieved and shoved back down your
    whiny little throat. <g>

    < begin quoted message >

    From: Hank ("stop"@bu$h.treason)
    Subject: Re: I see the best you could do is call me stupid
    Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
    Date: 2004-08-10 17:45:51 PST

    Tim Morrow wrote:



    I meant 180 hp per liter. My bad! I had hp per cubic inch
    on my mind too and musta got confused or something.

    <end quoted message>

    Hey itchy, look at that. <chuckle> My very first post
    in the thread after misplacing the decimal point, and I
    immediately admitted my error. You lied again, ya timid,
    nutless little clown. <g>
    See, that's the difference between a man of honesty,
    pride, and integrity, and a low life, timid, cowardly
    little worm. Slither away, itchy - the truth is bitch


    The irony of your simple minded idiocy is =beautiful=.
    Even though it happens on a regular basis here, I still
    enjoy it when my most vocal critics show us all that they're
    not only incredibly stupid, but blatant liars and spineless
    cowards, too! <chuckle>



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    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
    Hank, Jul 21, 2005
  14. Bill Walker

    Bob Thomas Guest

    Yeah, that was what I was thinking of when I made that comment.
    I like 'em both, but I think I laugh out loud more often over Larry The
    Cable Guy.

    cheers

    bob
     
    Bob Thomas, Jul 21, 2005
  15. Bill Walker

    Ruppster Guest

    Man, I need some of those drugs you're on. <g>

    Ruppster
    1976 BMW R90/6
    1984 Yamaha XT600
    sportster at dodge-semis dot com
     
    Ruppster, Jul 22, 2005
  16. Bill Walker

    Wakko Guest

    Hank, I've always wanted to ask you...

    Do you feel all wars are committed by war criminals and terrorists, or just
    this one?
    What would make this war different from all the others?
     
    Wakko, Jul 22, 2005
  17. Bill Walker

    Ruppster Guest


    You also have to remember that there were some other factors which had
    an effect on how the fighting went back then and the decisions that
    were made. At the beginning of the war civilian populations were left
    alone. IIRC it was kind of a general agreement at the time by both
    sides. It wasn't till some German bombers that were "off coarse"
    dropped their bombs on a city (London?) that we started going after
    cities in return to turn the general population against their leaders.
    Plus Japan tried to destroy the west coast before we even bombed any
    of their towns. As an experiment they sent out a batch of hot air
    balloons with fire bombs to try and set our west coast on fire. They
    didn't care if they hit a military target or civilian. Several of them
    actually made it to the US and killed a couple of people (they came
    across the payload of one balloon and it blew up on them as they were
    checking it out) and did start some small fires in remote places.
    Thank heavens the media back then still has some morals and knew what
    "national security" meant and kept their traps shut. If the Japanese
    learned that the first balloons had made it they would have sent wave
    after wave of them and who knows what would have happened.

    Ruppster
    1976 BMW R90/6
    1984 Yamaha XT600
    sportster at dodge-semis dot com
     
    Ruppster, Jul 22, 2005
  18. Bill Walker

    Ruppster Guest


    Man, I need to pull my head out of my ass more often. It wasn't till
    your post, Albert, that I realized what it was that Uncle Pirate had
    really said. Thank you. That was great and I missed it the first time
    around. <g>

    Ruppster
     
    Ruppster, Jul 22, 2005
  19. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    I don't pretend to answer for anyone, in respect to your question.. Here is
    my thinking... WWII wasn't and can't be comparable to this war that is going
    on in Iraq.. The United States was not the aggressor in WWII.. Germany and
    Japan established themselves as aggressors.. The United States entered that
    war as a defender of ourselves and the Allies that were being attacked by
    those aggressors..

    The question itself is a bit loaded.. Anyone who has been to a war, isn't
    anxious to do it again.. The memories of what is experienced, will haunt you
    for the rest of your lives.. Even our most heroic figures in history, i.e.
    Dwight Eisenhower and John Kerry, served and came home with scars that can
    not be seen.. Those men and many others came back, bearing those scars and
    are dedicated to preventing war from ever occurring again..

    Any way you slice it, this war has been a disaster that was created by our
    leaders in this country.. The lies and misrepresentations by those leaders
    has placed the United States in the role of an aggressor nation.. We
    attacked a sovereign nation under false pretenses and based an
    invasion/occupation of that nation on lies and deception.. We entered into
    that war without the support and positive opinion of the other world
    leaders.. Our own leaders who persuaded many Americans that we should
    abandon the principles of the very foundations of our own successful
    democracy, and become an aggressor nation .. have deluded Americans into
    believing that being an aggressor nation is crucial to our own safety and
    defense.. When America accepts that concept, we've become what we've always
    fought against..

    Our president, his administration and the politicians who led us into this
    war, used lies and deception to justify going to war.. Most of those men had
    their own reasons for doing that.. The result is, that the United States is
    considered an aggressor nation, now..

    I am a veteran of another brutal war That war was controversial, also.. My
    own reasons for volunteering to go to that war, were personal choices that I
    made, as a very young man.. A kid, actually.. There are many, who made the
    same choices that I made, found in VA hospitals around the United States.
    Their efforts and sacrifices have been dishonored by our leaders who have
    lied and deceived us into the role of an Aggressor Nation..

    There are many more reasons why I am so opposed to this war that we are
    engaged in, in Iraq.. The image of the country that I love, will be
    tarnished in our own history, forever.. Make no mistake, our military men
    and women who are serving at this time, are heroic in their own right..
    They've distinguished themselves with bravery and courage.. and the ones who
    have fallen, should always be remembered with respect and honored.. The ones
    who are bearing the scars, should be supported and cared for, as has
    historically been promised them..

    That's kind of the tip of the iceberg..

    Bill Walker
    Irving, Tx.
     
    Bill Walker, Jul 22, 2005
  20. Bill Walker

    Wakko Guest

    Thanks, Bill. I can see that your words come from the heart.
     
    Wakko, Jul 22, 2005
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