performance figures

Well, yes, clearly it would be physically difficult for him to be a
BUNCH of wankers, and in fact my impression is that he isnt a wanker
(singular) either, of course I could be wrong, I've heard tell that
Knobdoodle and I are the only two to have ever been wrong on usenet

JL

 

**** OFF!
Only I'VE ever been wrong here, Littler!
Your statement is totally ... errr.....ummm.....

 

I went for a run on the weekend and the fastest bloke was on a 94-ish Speed
Triple. The next quickest was on a 955 Sprint and not too far behind was
the feller on the Gold-Wing with sidecar!
Fark it was a mind-bender following him through the twisties.....
Clem
(Near Peachester we came up on a group of Honda 750/4s in immaculate
condition and all with original-looking 4-pipe exhausts!
I dunno' where they've been hiding these last 35 years but they've
obviously been in good hands!)

 

For the record, my comments were designed to be a slight on
R1 riders, not IK. IK said nice things about me *and* my bike
on irc, so he can't possibly be a wanker![1]

IK's not quite as 'Rod Speed' as Nev is (ie: shocking attitude,
but always right), but he's close! (and that's a compliment!)

G

[1] I decline to use the "Kevin Bloody Wilson" defence here...
"If you say you don't wank, you're a liar, and a fool
if you say that you do...."[2][4]

[2] My personal fave is the other line.[3]

[3] "So, next time you see, Prince Charles on TV, Remember
he's wanked himself too."

[4] One day, ask me about the day we got the first sixteen
bars of the intro to "The Last Lager Waltz" played on
the in-store PA system at the Big W store wot I worked
at when I was a boy before anyone wised up...

 

He wears full leathers but. He's got a contract to supply
full leathers to lots of the Power Rangers too!

G

 

Just replaced the 200 rear Dunlop on the 12R with a 190 Pirelli (which appears
to have a steeper profile than the Dunlop). I have noticed that turn in is a
bit quicker, which I expected from the steeper profile, but I can't really say
whether it feels like i'm cornering quicker or anything. Very noticeable
however is the different wear pattern on both the front and rear. With the
200 rear (and even the 180s on the Blackbirds) I never got the last few mm at
the edge of tyre onto the road but I had worn the 190 right off the edge
before I got home from the bike shop after getting the tyre fitted. Took it
for a ride up Reefton last week. Where previously my front tyre had warn the
shoulders off, about half way between the centre and the edge, the tyre wear
on the front now is almost down at the edges of the tyre after a blast through
the twisties.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

It's OK, I got that, my ability to be humorous in response was impacted
by several bottles of wine, but hey, I tried.

JL
(better to have tried and failed, yada yada)

 

In aus.motorcycles on 19 Jan 2005 00:57:35 +1100

You mean he's in the 1% who lie about it? Surely not!

Zebee

 

WOW ! You've comprehensively proven me wrong there Paul.. shame how you
didn't.

a) you have yet to show the bikes in question were bought for
performance rather than aesthetics

b) do these guys doing low Ks a year and riding hard during those low Ks
sell them after a year or less to buy the newest fashionable toy ? Why
are they selling them ?

c) so out of how many thousand sports bikes sold in Oz you can talk
about three who are an exception, great, so when I can personally
introduce you to at least 4 people who did exactly what I suggested
happens a fair bit (bought a pretty bike for a toy and then barely ride
it) does that prove you wrong ?

Samples aren't statistical proof or logical proof, they may be
persuasive, but without someone doing a proper study it's all conjecture
(as I said earlier)

What ? They wound the speedos back ? You've yet to "prove" anything
(noting you're the one who thinks you can prove something in this
discussion, not me).

So you know some guys who ride their fashionable toys once in a blue
moon for a couple of Ks, but when they do they "ride hard" - umm how
does that prove anything ? Same as I said "they can't ALL have been
raced" you've yet to show they didn't buy it because it's pretty, you've
only shown that supposedly they can ride it hard. That doesn't disprove
the riding style or reasons for purchase of the vast majority (you've
heard the concept of the exception proves the rule I trust).

So you know people who don't fit into "most" - I thought you said above
I had unequivocally stated "all", sounds like an oops there mate. (aaah
but we try and weasel out of that rhetorical device later on by accusing
me of weaseling out- nice ploy)

No I don't have to "prove" anything, I put up an opinion, you can like
or dislike it, but at the end of the day, no one can prove anything
without serious/proper research, people may draw conclusions based on
the arguments and their own experience (as a number of people on here
seem to have done) but even those conclusions are opinions without
empirical facts.

And you're the only guy who's ever met a sportsbike rider huh ? OK, I
sit corrected, I've never met one of those, I don't know a single person
who owns a sports bike and never owned one myself.

Great, so your anecdotal experience differs from mine and that of other
people in this group, so why are you getting so hot under the collar ?

Which I didn't say...

Most means most - a majority (which is an amount greater than 50%) which
is my conclusion based on my personal observations, your opinion differs
as to the quantity, great, good on ya. Are you asserting it's a number
approaching zero that buys sportsbikes for that reason ?

Now you're just being a fuckwit Paul. I like sportsbikes, I own one (a
2stroke race rep sure as **** ain't a tourer), I've owned an R1 and
bitterly regretted having to sell it for financial reasons, and I rode a
TRX for yonks which is on the softer side HP wise but is certainly a
sports bike configuration.

I'll admit to being amused by the emotional drivers of some people who
buy certain bikes, but I'm all in favour of it (as I said earlier which
you snipped) I think it's great, 'cos it increases the pool of 1 to 2
year old, barely ridden sportsbikes available.

And for the record, I want to buy an 04 R1 as soon as I can*, over the
R6 which would be more than adequate for the sort of riding I'm going to
do on it.

JL
*Which is a matter of public record - google it up from less than a
month ago on here iirc

 

You're welcome to that opinion, I still think you're wrong in your
argument on that topic, but my care factor on the subject was so low I
shrugged and said "yeah whatever"

<chuckle>

JL

 

It's dangerous to go for broke on public roads.

Postman Pat

 

Hamish is often accused of being a bunch of wankers!

-----sharks

 

Serious question... is something the matter that you have to vent by
being excessively tetchy on Usenet. This is the fifth or sixth argument
in which you've gone out of your way to be Hammo.

Read back over the thread and tell me where I indicate that I consider
aesthetics to play_no_part_whatsoever_in the overtyring that happens at
the back end of modern sportsbikes.

All along, my argument has been that saying that the fitting of
size-too-big rear tyres is due to aesthetics_only_is a pissweak
simplisticism, and that there is another, more clandestine, but tangible
and demonstrable, reason for it.

Traditionally, that wouldn't've been too sutle a point for the John
Littler I'm used to to grasp.

 

Hmmm. Not that I'd noticed, in fact I'd have asked the same question of
Paulh who's been far tetchier than me, in my admittedly extremely biased
opinion.

I'm hammo and so is my wife ? If that's the case then it certainly isn't
intentional, perhaps it's time to go.

OK, ta for the vote of confidence, but I simply didn't buy the argument,
as opposed to not getting your point. Moike was far more eloquent but
there are far more elegant ways for a manufacturer to make a sports bike
more user friendly at the expense of laptimes/performance than
overtyring it. Increase the rake and the wheelbase and you slow down the
turn in, make it more stable in the corners and far more user friendly -
a bit too much like a Bandit in fact

You made a really good fist of creating a plausible and well thought
through argument for something extremely improbable. IMNSHO.

JL

 

I'll show you mine if you.... on second thoughts, scrub that

<shrug> You see nothing. I had to sell it because I was out of work
(retrenched) and didn't want to assume that it was going to resolve
itself quickly given the state of the IT market in early 2002. As it
happened I got a job a month after I sold it. Yes I could have bought
another since (instead of keeping the Bandit I replaced it with) but
instead I dropped 50K on an MBA,and bought an A4, it's all choices.

JL

 

Yeah, well ideally I'd have a garage the size of a football field (any
code ;-) and have it chock full of all the bikes I like <sigh> But not
being a multibillionaire funds have to be rationed to maximise utility
(as the economists say). Have to sell another car so i can buy more
bikes I think.

Mmmm... 04 R1...mmmmm.....

I should have bought something other than the Bandit though, it's a
great all rounder but just not sporty enough for me. I wanted something
two up friendly and it's certainly that, but the ground clearance is
woeful (going to pull the centre stand off and see how that goes - I've
ground about half the right hand side foot away anyway). Trouble is all
the really sporty bikes have pillion accomodation only suitable for 10
year olds.

JL

 

table soccer ?

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Wot's that ? Is that the game the frogs play with the wooden players on
metal poles ? Is that really football given the figurines don't really
have feet ?

Could be a little smaller than I had in mind Ok any football code
bar table soccer

JL
(how many more exceptions can ausmotians come up with)

 

desktop football?

Moike

 

Pocket footy?