I was going to rejoin in the other thread again but I lost my place and I can't be arsed to work out where I would have posted so I'm starting another thread. Anyway, regarding turning the bike upside down and shaking it... How about having a word with Bonners and coinciding the event with when he's next down to sort Llanthony bridge as he could use that as a giant crane. I can imagine him on the local "Well as you know we've been having a lot of problems with this bridge over the last few months, and in the end we were left with only one course of action which was of course Z13 inversion. Oy cunt get off of my bridge..."